Bhante Vimalaramsi and the 6R's?

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Bhante Vimalaramsi and the 6R's?

Postby Heaviside » Sun Mar 17, 2013 4:03 am

Is anyone familiar with the approach mentioned in the title of my posting.

I am impressed by his videos and writings, but it seems something is missing when I try to put it into practice.

I would appreciate any commentary and suggestions anyone might have.

Thanks, with metta.
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Re: Bhante Vimalaramsi and the 6R's?

Postby Cittasanto » Sun Mar 17, 2013 10:01 am

there are members here who are practicing under him, but he does have his own yahoo e-mail group I think can be found on the dhammasukha web site. there may also be a e-mail address there to contact him?
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Re: Bhante Vimalaramsi and the 6R's?

Postby Heaviside » Sun Mar 17, 2013 11:50 pm

Thanks for the response, but I am familiar with the website.

I was hoping to get an assessment of tbe method from more experienced meditators than I. :namaste:
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Re: Bhante Vimalaramsi and the 6R's?

Postby mikenz66 » Mon Mar 18, 2013 1:18 am

Hi Heaviside,

Since you are asking whether something is missing when you try to put the instructions into practice, it would make sense to contact Bhante V and others through the website and Yahoo group. I've listened to a number of Bhante V's sutta readings, so I've some general familiarity with his approach. To my understanding, it seems like a reasonable approach (as are the various other approaches you'll see discussed on this Forum). However, if you have queries on how exactly to apply the instructions it would be best to ask the source, rather than relying on ideas of those who have not tried it.

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Re: Bhante Vimalaramsi and the 6R's?

Postby Cittasanto » Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:08 am

Heaviside wrote:Thanks for the response, but I am familiar with the website.

I was hoping to get an assessment of tbe method from more experienced meditators than I. :namaste:

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Have you tried to contact him through the site, or yahoo group?
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Re: Bhante Vimalaramsi and the 6R's?

Postby Heaviside » Mon Mar 18, 2013 3:30 pm

There is a duscussion now going on on the Yahoo group website which outlines tge issue. Thus far there seems to be no real response to the issue that was raised.


Here is the substance of the discussion. Any thoughts?

Metta,

Heaviside



Many thanks Sister Khema,

Well, the fault was mine in leading the original thread astray.

Let me recount my experience just a bit. Maybe that will focus things somewhat
better.

I started out by reading most of the "beginners" material on the DMS website,
watched and listened to quite a few of Bhante Vimalaramsi's discourses on
YouTube, and purchased and read his new book. I think it is the most logically
appealing approach I have become aware of.

But putting it into practice is another story!

I started out by trying to apply the 6R's more or less in its "pure state," but
found that my attention wandered too much. I would often realize that I had
gone off on a tangent for a long time (no inkling, of course, for how long). It
seemed to me that I should be more alert and try to sense when the "drift' began
to occur, so I tried to adopt a "watcher attitude". But I still drifted too
much.

At this point, I began to try to incorporate Bhante's advice from his talks. In
particular, I tried to follow the MN 10 sutta with its direction to "tranquilize
the bodily formations". Now, according to Bhanti this means the physical body
(from top to bottom) and not, as commentators have claimed, the "breath body".
But it occurred to me that the placement of these instructions in the sutta
imply that they are to be considered as a more or less warmup exercise for the
"main event", which I take to be the six R's.

Okay, that was a bit longwinded, I know. Now for a more succinct phrasing.

When I meditate, do I begin with the directions in MN10 and switch to a "6R
mode"? And when I am doing the 6R's, how do I recognize the "head tension"
Bhante talks about? He seems to be saying that it is a physical tension caused
by constriction of the meninges, rather than a mental tension.

I can't "Release" until I "Recognize," and I just don't know how to do that. I
can certainly recognize that my attention has wondered, but it is the
recognition of the head tension that confuses me. That seems to require an
active effort on my part, but this seems to me to create a tendency toward
one-pointedness.

All the best, with wishes that your coming retreat will be a productive on.

Art

--- In dhammasukha@yahoogroups.com, Sister Khema <sisterkhema@...> wrote:
>
> Dhamma Greetings Steve.
>
> You voiced the question about the original question for the thread called,
> "I am disappointed".
>
> Well, It got me confused too. I am happy to try to sort this out today.
> But then, I am going into the desert for 2 weeks time.
> And this means I might not be able to be online much while there.
> Never sure about this place. But this time, "I" am going on retreat more
heavily then in past years... SO I might be mute.
> I am telling all of you about this ahead of time.
> Will be back maybe for three days time March 31 before heading back to
Missouri by train over 4 days.
> That 4 days I will be incommunicado I think while moving......... most of the
way.
> I do writing each year while on that trip, preparing end-year reports and
updates and setting up yearly goals. Those will be open to scrutiny when
completed and posted.
>
> OK.
> About the question.
> Maybe Art could post it again as one question.
> I came to think that the main question was about "is the practice 'active or
passive' and whether I could tell him what part was active or passive."
>
> I "think" that was the original question. Art can steer me back to JUST the
original question and I will change the title to 'Answering the disappointed'
>
> On one of those replies I tried to answer that part.
> It was an unusual way of talking about the "practice", since
> practice is active to begin with .
> I tried to try to sort it out that way, ya know....
> Maybe we can do it under this heading now if anybody wants to go on further.
>
> Metta and smiles.
> CH. Khema
>
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Re: Bhante Vimalaramsi and the 6R's?

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Mon Mar 18, 2013 5:35 pm

I used to rush into watching the breath far too early when I first started meditation - it is very important to spend a good five minutes or so just slowly un-tensing the body.

Make sure you are a breathing with your belly - chest breathing can make the body far less tranquil as it requires more effort from the diaphragm. Otherwise, have you considered using a mantra, such as "Bu" on the in-breath and "dho" on the out-breath? This is a very helpful tool for keeping the mind on the breath.

Otherwise, the dreaded advice is definitely to just try and stick it out. It gets better, as the saying goes.
Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
- Lokavipatti Sutta

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Re: Bhante Vimalaramsi and the 6R's?

Postby Billymac29 » Mon Mar 18, 2013 10:23 pm

From what I gather you are supposed to release the distraction, relax the body, smile, and return to your object of meditation (which I believe is usually metta with him) every time you get distracted during meditation.

But again, it's best to get clarification from the Venerable or Sister K.
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Re: Bhante Vimalaramsi and the 6R's?

Postby Heaviside » Mon Mar 18, 2013 10:29 pm

"I used to rush into watching the breath far too early when I first started meditation - it is very important to spend a good five minutes or so just slowly un-tensing the body.

Make sure you are a breathing with your belly - chest breathing can make the body far less tranquil as it requires more effort from the diaphragm. Otherwise, have you considered using a mantra, such as "Bu" on the in-breath and "dho" on the out-breath? This is a very helpful tool for keeping the mind on the breath.

Otherwise, the dreaded advice is definitely to just try and stick it out. It gets better, as the saying goes."


Thanks so much for these practical tips, Lonesome Yogurt. I will definitely give them a try. :clap:
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Re: Bhante Vimalaramsi and the 6R's?

Postby marc108 » Mon Mar 18, 2013 11:52 pm

I dont practice in that method but am familiar with it. is your problem that you're unable to recognize the tension in the head specifically and this is interfering with your practice? also how long have you been practicing?
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Re: Bhante Vimalaramsi and the 6R's?

Postby Heaviside » Tue Mar 19, 2013 2:31 am

marc108 wrote:I dont practice in that method but am familiar with it. is your problem that you're unable to recognize the tension in the head specifically and this is interfering with your practice? also how long have you been practicing?


Yep, that's the problem. I have been practicing thirty minutes per day for several (four to six?) months with few missed days.
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