shortening a Sunlun-sayado practice

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shortening a Sunlun-sayado practice

Postby Anuar » Wed May 20, 2009 11:03 am

dear all,
is it possible to shorten a Sunlun-sayado practice of meditation when we use a comfortable pose and then it transforms to suffering, pain so that we should see it as a just unpleasant sensation.
I am a city-dweller so that I do not have enough time in working days to practice and imho it is possible to shorten that practice by using an uncomfortable pose in order to start observation (after hyperventilation) directly from pain.
I think it will allow to save time during working days (usual standard Sunlun-sayado practice of meditation may take 2 hours and more) and might shorten a way to enlightenment.
So what do you think ?
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Re: shortening a Sunlun-sayado practice

Postby Cittasanto » Wed May 20, 2009 2:24 pm

To be honest I have never heard of this monk or his techneque before today so can not help there but do you have a link to it!

I am not sure if any one else here could help, but I whould say ask your teacher if you have one about this!
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Re: shortening a Sunlun-sayado practice

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Wed May 20, 2009 3:00 pm

I would say that adopting an uncomfortable posture to induce pain would be the wrong path of self-mortification. The three characteristics of anicca, dukkha, anatta can also be observed in pleasant sensations, and in mental states, so there is not special merit in observing painful sensations.

I think that the best way to use limited time more effectively is to improve your preparation before sitting. Choose the right time and place, keep the place as clean and quiet as far as possible, with good ventilation, etc.

Sunlun Sayādaw was one of the vipassanā teachers described in "Living Buddhist Masters" by Jack Kornfield. The Sayādaw is no longer living as that book was first published many years ago.
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Re: shortening a Sunlun-sayado practice

Postby jcsuperstar » Wed May 20, 2009 5:51 pm

Bhikkhu Pesala wrote:I would say that adopting an uncomfortable posture to induce pain would be the wrong path of self-mortification.

yeah but it makes you feel cool :tongue:
there seem to be many who think the harder the practice the better the results, i saw this in zen too...
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Re: shortening a Sunlun-sayado practice

Postby Anuar » Thu May 21, 2009 3:44 am

Bhikkhu Pesala wrote:I would say that adopting an uncomfortable posture to induce pain would be the wrong path of self-mortification. The three characteristics of anicca, dukkha, anatta can also be observed in pleasant sensations, and in mental states, so there is not special merit in observing painful sensations.

thank you, but if I am not mistaking Sunlun saydaw underlined that accent of his practice is to feel pain as just an unpleasant sensation, to overcome, to oversuffer the pain (applying all physical and mental efforts to hold a fixed posture)in order to become aware of anicca, dukkha and anatta.
With regard to this accent it was very logical for me to go on further and suggest that it will be much shorter to start from uncomfortable posture for direct awaring a pain as an unpleasant sensation.

Sure, as jcsuperstar said Sunlun saydaw practice is more "Zenish" because is very radical amongst other Southasian teachers, it's not a soft relaxed observation but a hard job through a wild pain.
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Re: shortening a Sunlun-sayado practice

Postby retrofuturist » Thu May 21, 2009 4:28 am

Greetings Anuar,

Anuar wrote:Sure, as jcsuperstar said Sunlun saydaw practice is more "Zenish" because is very radical amongst other Southasian teachers, it's not a soft relaxed observation but a hard job through a wild pain.

Be careful then to remain mindful... once it becomes "the will" versus "pain", is there true mindfulness, or Is there an ignorant perception of self?

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