Wat Dhammakaya

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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Postby exonesion » Sun Jan 08, 2017 7:38 am

slimdabuddhist wrote: I never heard of buddha meditating and telling others of how their past lives were.


When I saw this, I remembered stories of Buddha's and his disciples' past lives as recounted in the Jātakas.

For example, in the Mahānāradakassapa-Jātaka,
    Devadetta = Alāta
    Mogallāna = Bījaka
    Bodhisatta = great Brahmā

Since the Jātakas are considered part of the pali canon in Theravada Buddhism under the Khuddaka Nikaya, the Buddha could have told others how people's past lives were. (Please correct me If I'm wrong).

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On the topic of Luang Phor Dhammachayo being able to see people's past:
It was written in Bangkokpost that:

Phra Dhammajayo allegedly claimed that he had encountered the spirit of a man, Chatchai Rojkiratikan, in heaven.

The spirit asked the abbot to tell his children they should make merit and leave donations for him.

It was found later Mr Chatchai was still alive, which proved Phra Dhammajayo's claim about the spirit encounter was untrue.


I wonder if anyone knows if this actually happened.

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On the topic of claiming to be able to recall people's past lives as being a Parajika offence,

4. Boasting that one has realised a high spiritual attainment, knowing that one is lying. For example, claiming to be enlightened, to be Maitreya Buddha, to have entered Jhana (deep meditation-ecstasy) or that one can read minds when one knows that one hasn't reached any of these states.


What if Luang Phor Dhammachayo has the ability to see people's past?
But I think that's hard/impossible to prove though.

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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Postby exonesion » Sun Jan 08, 2017 4:06 pm

Dear Dhamma friends,

I'd like to share another reason or benefit for Wat Phra Dhammakaya's (WPD) orderliness and cleanliness, and its ceremonies.

TRobinson465 wrote:...we emphasize things like orderliness and cleanliness, and we really emphasize our monks being disciplined. The reason we have such a structure is
1. to uphold the faith of the laypeople by ensuring the monastics observe model behavior and
2. to keep things ordered because we have tons of people and a system of structure is necessary to get thing done.


Another benefit for WPD's orderliness and cleanliness is that they would aid the mind in calming down during meditation.
Back in 2014, I joined WPD's short-term ordination program (IDOP), and I was taught by my teaching monks that keeping things neat and tidy will help in calming the mind in meditation. I tried it and it helped me concentrate a little better, especially when I meditate in a neat place compared to a messy one.

I couldn't find any evidence in the Pali canon saying cleanliness will improve meditation, but it was emphasized in "Cleanliness is next to mindfulness", a Dhamma talk by Thanissaro Bhikkhu:

Thanissaro Bhikkhu wrote: ...In other words, while you're living here, don't think that the day-to-day facts of eating or having a place to sleep are minor matters to hurry through so you can get to the real business of meditating. If you're sloppy with things outside, you're going to be sloppy with your meditation. It's a basic principle. You want to learn how to be meticulous, clean, neat, alert in all the things you do. In that way, the activities become not a chore to be disposed of as quickly as possible, or something just getting in the way of your meditation. They become part of the meditation.


With this in mind, we can see WPD's orderliness and cleanliness actually facilitates meditation practice - another practical reason above the two TRobinson465 already mentioned.

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As for WPD's ceremonies, I've heard one of its purpose can be to impress upon the participants' mind the images of the meritorious event.
This is important, especially at the crucial moment before a person draws his last breath. And this is so because the nimittas (signs) that the person perceive will determine his afterlife destination.

V.F. Gunaratna wrote:
Firstly, it can be the thought of some powerfully impressive act done (kamma) which the dying man now recalls to mind.
Secondly, the powerfully impressive act of the past can be recalled by way of a symbol of that act (Kamma nimitta) as, for instance, if he had stolen money from a safe, he may see the safe.
Thirdly, the powerfully impressive act of the past may be recalled by way of a sign or indication of the place where he is destined to be re-born by reason of such act, as for instance when a man who has done great charitable acts hears beautiful divine music. This is called gati nimitta or the sign of destination. It is symbolic of his place of re-birth.


Therefore, a dying person may see himself giving to the monks at a ceremony.
Or, he may see the items (Kamma nimitta) that he gave to the monks.
Or, he may see his afterlife destination (gati nimitta).

This means if the dying person practiced Buddhism regularly by practicing generosity, keeping the precepts, and practicing meditation, it'll increase his likelihood of attaining a 'good' rebirth.

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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Postby pilgrim » Mon Jan 09, 2017 9:29 am

I'm not a fan of Dhammakaya but are they being treated fairly?
http://tahr-global.org/?p=32050

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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Postby Turmeric » Mon Jan 09, 2017 9:04 pm

The people I respect most in the Thai human rights and prodemocracy movement all tell me that defending Wat Phra Dhammakaya [Phra Dhammakaya Temple] is the most important Thai human rights issue at the moment: That the very independence of Buddhism in Thailand is at stake; that not content with grabbing the reigns of democracy, the junta also needs to grab the reigns of Thailand’s majority religion.
Continue reading....
http://freedomwatchinternational.org/it ... spaceship/

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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Postby BlackBird » Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:45 am

Turmeric wrote:The people I respect most in the Thai human rights and prodemocracy movement all tell me that defending Wat Phra Dhammakaya [Phra Dhammakaya Temple] is the most important Thai human rights issue at the moment: That the very independence of Buddhism in Thailand is at stake; that not content with grabbing the reigns of democracy, the junta also needs to grab the reigns of Thailand’s majority religion.
Continue reading....
http://freedomwatchinternational.org/it ... spaceship/


The fact, that the charges are so random and unrelated, that they seem minor relative to the many obvious crimes in Thailand that are never investigated (including crimes by other prominent monks), and that this most-wanted abbot is so old and sick that he may die before this is ever resolved, makes one instantly suspect the charges are trumped up and politically motivated


Great logic... /sarcasm
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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Postby robertk » Tue Jan 10, 2017 2:12 am

Turmeric wrote:The people I respect most in the Thai human rights and prodemocracy movement all tell me that defending Wat Phra Dhammakaya [Phra Dhammakaya Temple] is the most important Thai human rights issue at the moment: That the very independence of Buddhism in Thailand is at stake; that not content with grabbing the reigns of democracy, the junta also needs to grab the reigns of Thailand’s majority religion.
Continue reading....
http://freedomwatchinternational.org/it ... spaceship/

there is some truth in this. I am no lover of Dhammakaya but the current govt of Thailand is unjust and dangerous and any direct criticism is ruthless suppressed. last month a critic of the govt shared a facebook post of a BBC article about the regime and is still in jail - and expeced to be given a long sentence.

By supporting Dhammakaya they can lean on religion as a proxy to indirectly pressure the govt.


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