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Raw Diet? - Dhamma Wheel

Raw Diet?

A place to discuss health and fitness, healthy diets. A fit body makes for a fit mind.

Have you tried Raw diet?

I'm already eating raw foods.
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Once, I might try it again.
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Once, I'm not interested.
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I'll try it.
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I'm not interested.
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Raw Diet?

Postby Late_Lotus » Thu Oct 21, 2010 5:38 pm

I eat a lot of garbage here at my moms, and I want to eat healthier. I keep all my animals on really healthy diets and pay close attention to what types of nutrients they get from different foods. So I told myself it's time for me to treat myself as well as I treat them. I'm not overweight or anything, but I've noticed I'm often tired and becoming lazy. So I began reading. One book in particular had a great rule system: "Eat FOOD (not garbage). Not too much. Mostly Plants." I always eat my meat last anyways, when I get around to it, so I figured this won't be difficult for me to hop into, and started looking at vegetarian diets.
Then I came across Raw diets. Based on the idea that when we cook our foods we actually destroy many of the nutrients found in them.
Most people on Raw diets are vegetarians or vegans, and I decided to try it out for a couple of days. I only ate fruits, veggies, and nuts for those two days without cooking anything and I couldn't believe how much ENERGY I had. You feel very alert, happy, and awake!
I wanted to see who else on here may be on Raw Food? I know there are many vegans and vegetarians and if there aren't many people on Raw, perhaps some of you will try this.
Just TWO days! Even just ONE day, and I began feeling a change. I'm going to research more, but I think it's safe to say I will be following this simple way of eating. I suggest you try it!

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Re: Raw Diet?

Postby Individual » Thu Oct 21, 2010 6:34 pm

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Re: Raw Diet?

Postby Viscid » Thu Oct 21, 2010 8:55 pm

These types of diets, I find, just lead to people getting neurotically obsessive over what they eat.

"Is this raw? Is this organic? Does it have xyz ingredient?"

Then you can never take them out somewhere to eat, because you have to be considerate of their delusional obsessions and spend considerable time deliberating on a suitable venue for face-stuffing.
"What holds attention determines action." - William James

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Re: Raw Diet?

Postby alan » Thu Oct 28, 2010 1:35 am

By your own admission you ate a lot of garbage. Just getting off that will make you feel better. It's not the raw foods, it is the fact that you are off the garbage, that makes you feel better.

There is no reason to eat only raw food.

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Re: Raw Diet?

Postby tahariel » Thu Oct 28, 2010 2:54 pm

I have some experience with vegan, vegetarian and raw diet. What I can recommend is vegan diet. I have never been for long period (more than 6 weeks) on raw diet but for me from time to time it is very good.
@Viscid any obsession is not good, so if you from the beginning give this label to people who consciously and freely choose what they eat is not fair.

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Re: Raw Diet?

Postby Viscid » Thu Oct 28, 2010 4:35 pm

"What holds attention determines action." - William James

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Re: Raw Diet?

Postby Sanghamitta » Thu Oct 28, 2010 5:39 pm

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Re: Raw Diet?

Postby Ytrog » Thu Oct 28, 2010 7:31 pm

I heard/read somewhere (could be radio or a science news site, don't know anymore) that scientists suspect that eating cooked food allowed humans to develop the brains we have today. Cooked food is easier to digest than raw food, so more energy could go to the brains instead of digesting the food. This resulted in more brain growth.

Maybe this is something to think about when you're pondering eating raw food. There was an evolutionary advantage in prehistoric times for people who ate cooked food. There is a reason that fire was so important for survival other than keeping you warm. :anjali:

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Re: Raw Diet?

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Re: Raw Diet?

Postby Laurens » Sun Nov 07, 2010 12:14 pm

Its not healthy at all. Cooked food arguably might lose some of its nutrients in the cooking process, however it also helps to break the food down which means our body requires less energy to digest it. Cooking played a role in the evolution of our species, getting more energy from less food is key to our success.

Eating a raw diet would mean subjecting oneself to tiredness and lack of energy. The energy you would normally use to be active during the day would be spent digesting food, and one would have to spend more time eating to be able to keep one's energy levels up.

You might lose weight, but you wont be healthy.


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Re: Raw Diet?

Postby alan » Mon Nov 08, 2010 3:59 am

Good point, Laurens.
Fact is, there is no reason to eat raw food only. It is just another dumb fad which is not based upon reason.

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Re: Raw Diet?

Postby timmbuktwo » Tue Nov 16, 2010 4:02 am

Fruits go through your digestive system in mere minutes , vegetables hours and meats days . Raw or cooked is not the key , although raw fruits are ideal . Your body needs virtually no resources , energy , to process fruits.

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Re: Raw Diet?

Postby Jhana4 » Thu Feb 17, 2011 1:14 pm

In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: Raw Diet?

Postby kansascoder » Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:38 pm

Late_Lotus,

The best thing to do is to follow your body's urgnings and honor your consicence. Some people get sick on raw and others thrive. no one but you can how your body will respond. I was on an all juice and raw diet for about 3 months and felt fantastic. Check out this fellows site: http://www.therawfoodworld.com/. I'm sure you already have but it's worth mentioning. He has lots of youtube videos and I personally like his energy.

There are endless variations in our diet. I began to attend to my conscience when eating meat and now eat almost entirely vegetarian foods. Lots of folks tell me it is unsustainable to live this way but I feel fine. I find it less and less necessary to eat meat but in the beginning if I felt a need for it I ate it. A comment here about getting hung up on diet is in my opinion wise. Listen to your conscience and be conscious abouthow you're making choices. It'll be interesting for sure!

Rich
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Re: Raw Diet?

Postby Jhana4 » Fri Feb 18, 2011 4:38 am

In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: Raw Diet?

Postby meindzai » Fri Feb 18, 2011 3:55 pm

I researched it and tried it for quite awhile. I'm glad I did as I learned a lot, and got a lot of great recipes that I occasionally use (like raw apple pie).

But for the most part it's expensive, unrealistic, extreme, and alienating.

Expensive: In order to get the calories needed on a daily basis from raw foods alone you need to eat a lot of them. $20 to $30 a day is not unusual for raw food. This includes a lot of nuts (raw ones of course, not toasted, and you're supposed to soak them to make them "alive") which have never really been a part of the human diet on the scale required to sustain a raw food diet.

Trying it for a few days is actually a nice way to clean out the body and get a little burst of energy, but it gets old quick.

Unrealistic: No carbs from bread, no pasta, no potatoes (because they cannot be eaten raw) no rice, no coffee, no tea, no salt, no pepper (condiments are "toxic!" according to raw foodies). No beans of course, a major source of protein for most vegans and vegetarians, unless they are simply soaked and perhaps sprouted, a very tedious process.

Extreme: There is simply no need to eat in such an extreme way when there are many healthy cooked foods, including some whose vitamin content is actually helped along or more readily absorbed when they are cooked. (and broccoli are two examples).

Alienating: Have fun at family dinners, restaurants, and even, yes, monasteries trying to put a whole meal together with raw foods. "Can I have another salad? Can I have more salad? No thanks I can't have the carrots/potatoes/broccoli/cabbage/beans you've spent all that time making. Can I have four bananas and an apple?"

In fact it was at a monastery where I broke my raw food phase since I simply wasn't going to get the calories I needed in the two meals (Theravada monastery so no meal after noon) from the uncooked food that was there.

On the subject of alienation, the internet forums no better represent raw food people then they represent Buddhists, probably, so the following is a bit of an unfair judgement. I spent time on some raw food forums and I found most of the adherents there to be uber left-wing (that's a lot coming from a Buddhist, you know) paranoid and alarmist. They threw the word "toxic" around with regards to any and all foods not raw, including spices, tea, coffee, etc. Some would even debate as to whether it was ethical to eat seeds(you're depriving the plants ability to reproduce, you evil swine), and whether even certain parts of the fruits and vegetables were "toxic." People that did not eat raw food were automatically put into the category of "SAD" (standard american diet). Again, the internet crowd probably represents a sorry bunch compared to whatever a "normal" raw food eater is like, but they were a silly, sorry, lonely group of people.

Vegan/vegetarianism is ok - still somewhat extreme for me. But the most moderate bet is Michal Pollan's advice which you indicated above "Eat food, not too much, mostly plants." Learn to cook and cook well. Have fun with recipes. Cook real food, not from boxes or packages. Buy and plant fresh herbs and use them. Stay out of fast food places mostly, but go if you have too and don't beat yourself up for eating at burger king because you were driving across the country and you and your wife were starving and it was the only place available. (Hypothetically speaking). Buy local and organic when possible but neither beat up yourself when you buy from the local supermarket because the farmers market closed already and there's nothing for dinner.

There's so much hype and paranoia out there about what we're supposed to be eating when it's all really a pretty simple fact of not buying into any of the hype of the extremists (on one end) not paying attention to what the nutrition scientists say this week or that week about which berry you should have more of. On the other end don't fall into the fast food/packaged food easy stuff. Just apply moderate effort to reasonable eating and you'll be fine.

Sorry if that got ranty. It's something I've given a bit of thought to.

-M

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Re: Raw Diet?

Postby PeterB » Fri Feb 18, 2011 4:11 pm

In my absolutist way I may have got the wrong end of the stick, but I rather thought that part of the raw food agenda was the pursuit of alienation.

Certainly those patients I have had referred to me who very early on declare themselves to be raw food devotees are among the most angry people I have ever met. Usually its a good way to worry mum/mom. Its a prolonged revenge for being born.

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Re: Raw Diet?

Postby Jhana4 » Fri Feb 18, 2011 4:26 pm

In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: Raw Diet?

Postby Jhana4 » Fri Feb 18, 2011 4:35 pm

Last edited by Jhana4 on Fri Feb 18, 2011 5:23 pm, edited 1 time in total.
In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: Raw Diet?

Postby PeterB » Fri Feb 18, 2011 4:51 pm

Of course its quite possible Jhana4 that I mostly get to see the ones whose alienation has an angry edge...and you are right lots of OCD, fear of embodiment which often takes the form of blood phobia.


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