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Bhikkhu nissaya training

Discussion of ordination, the Vinaya and monastic life. How and where to ordain? Bhikkhuni ordination etc.
Yong Fa
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Bhikkhu nissaya training

Postby Yong Fa » Fri Dec 30, 2016 2:17 am

Hello Dhammawheel,

I have a few questions about the five-year nissaya period that newly ordained bhikkhus undergo, during which they live in dependence on a teacher at a monastery.

1) Where are the origins of this practice in the Vinaya? Please provide a citation link if you can.

2) Does this recommendation come from the Buddha himself or from a later commentator?

3) What is done during these five years? Monks have told me that it involves the study of the patimokkha and suttas, and it is likely that one would also study Pali during this time. I am curious if there is anything else done in this period, and why five years is allotted.

Thank you,
Yongfa

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Re: Bhikkhu nissaya training

Postby monkeycat » Fri Dec 30, 2016 3:27 am

It varies depending on the monastery.

In Thai forest monasteries those 5 years seem to be mostly spent learning the Vinaya and doing various work tasks/chores.

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Re: Bhikkhu nissaya training

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Re: Bhikkhu nissaya training

Postby Yong Fa » Sat Dec 31, 2016 2:54 am

Thank you Bhante. In reading through the first link, I also came across "the thirty-two (cases) where one should not let go forth." Most of these seem to involve cases where the person possesses some physical attribute that may affect their health or ability to live the monastic life, such as blindness or elephantiasis.

But it is interesting to also read that the Buddha did not allow people with seemingly benign characteristics to go forth, such as those with webbed fingers or "one who disgraced an assembly (by some deformity)." The Buddha seems to have been so accepting of people with regard to caste and social status, so I am curious as to why these stipulations on physical appearance are made. Is there an explanation for these from non-commentarial sources?

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Re: Bhikkhu nissaya training

Postby pilgrim » Sat Dec 31, 2016 3:58 am

I believe it is technically 5 vassas, so depending on when one is ordained, it may be as short as 4 and a quarter years.

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