Hello,
I was wondering if there are monks who are physically handicapped, i.e. blind, deaf, paraplegic, etc. Are any such monanstics mentioned in the suttas?
Thank you,
Handicapped monks or nuns?
Handicapped monks or nuns?
Sati1
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"I do not perceive even one other thing, o monks, that when developed and cultivated entails such great happiness as the mind" (AN 1.30, transl. Ven. Bhikkhu Bodhi)
"So this spiritual life, monks, does not have gain, honor, and renown for its benefit, or the attainment of moral discipline for its benefit, or the attainment of concentration for its benefit, or knowledge and vision for its benefit. But it is this unshakable liberation of mind that is the goal of this spiritual life, its heartwood, and its end," (MN 29, transl. Ven Bhikkhu Bodhi)
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"I do not perceive even one other thing, o monks, that when developed and cultivated entails such great happiness as the mind" (AN 1.30, transl. Ven. Bhikkhu Bodhi)
"So this spiritual life, monks, does not have gain, honor, and renown for its benefit, or the attainment of moral discipline for its benefit, or the attainment of concentration for its benefit, or knowledge and vision for its benefit. But it is this unshakable liberation of mind that is the goal of this spiritual life, its heartwood, and its end," (MN 29, transl. Ven Bhikkhu Bodhi)
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Re: Handicapped monks or nuns?
Not exactly a handicap, but being a dwarf precludes you from many professions (firefighter, police, etc.).
Ven. Bhaddiya was a dwarf during the time of the Buddha, ordained and attained enlightenment.
"I have heard that on one occasion the Blessed One was staying near Sāvatthī at Jeta's Grove, Anāthapiṇḍika's monastery. And on that occasion Ven. Bhaddiya the Dwarf, following behind a large number of monks, was going to the Blessed One. From afar, the Blessed One saw Ven. Bhaddiya the Dwarf coming, following behind a large number of monks: ugly, unsightly, stunted, treated with condescension by most of the monks. On seeing him, the Blessed One addressed the monks, "Monks, do you see that monk coming from afar, following behind a large number of monks: ugly, unsightly, stunted, treated with condescension by most of the monks?"
"Yes, lord."
"That, monks, is a monk of great power, great might. The attainment already attained by that monk is not of a sort easily attained. And by means of it he has reached & remains in the supreme goal of the holy life for which clansmen rightly go forth from home into homelessness, knowing & realizing it for himself right in the here-&-now."
Udana 7.5
Ven. Bhaddiya was a dwarf during the time of the Buddha, ordained and attained enlightenment.
"I have heard that on one occasion the Blessed One was staying near Sāvatthī at Jeta's Grove, Anāthapiṇḍika's monastery. And on that occasion Ven. Bhaddiya the Dwarf, following behind a large number of monks, was going to the Blessed One. From afar, the Blessed One saw Ven. Bhaddiya the Dwarf coming, following behind a large number of monks: ugly, unsightly, stunted, treated with condescension by most of the monks. On seeing him, the Blessed One addressed the monks, "Monks, do you see that monk coming from afar, following behind a large number of monks: ugly, unsightly, stunted, treated with condescension by most of the monks?"
"Yes, lord."
"That, monks, is a monk of great power, great might. The attainment already attained by that monk is not of a sort easily attained. And by means of it he has reached & remains in the supreme goal of the holy life for which clansmen rightly go forth from home into homelessness, knowing & realizing it for himself right in the here-&-now."
Udana 7.5
Re: Handicapped monks or nuns?
This doesn't really count because he wasn't a monastic but Suppabuddha the leper attains stream-entry and then is suddenly killed.
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Re: Handicapped monks or nuns?
Dear David and Mkoll,
Those references are very helpful. Thank you.
Metta,
Those references are very helpful. Thank you.
Metta,
Sati1
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"I do not perceive even one other thing, o monks, that when developed and cultivated entails such great happiness as the mind" (AN 1.30, transl. Ven. Bhikkhu Bodhi)
"So this spiritual life, monks, does not have gain, honor, and renown for its benefit, or the attainment of moral discipline for its benefit, or the attainment of concentration for its benefit, or knowledge and vision for its benefit. But it is this unshakable liberation of mind that is the goal of this spiritual life, its heartwood, and its end," (MN 29, transl. Ven Bhikkhu Bodhi)
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"I do not perceive even one other thing, o monks, that when developed and cultivated entails such great happiness as the mind" (AN 1.30, transl. Ven. Bhikkhu Bodhi)
"So this spiritual life, monks, does not have gain, honor, and renown for its benefit, or the attainment of moral discipline for its benefit, or the attainment of concentration for its benefit, or knowledge and vision for its benefit. But it is this unshakable liberation of mind that is the goal of this spiritual life, its heartwood, and its end," (MN 29, transl. Ven Bhikkhu Bodhi)
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Re: Handicapped monks or nuns?
Thera Cakkhupala was blind
http://dhammapadaexplanations.blogspot. ... ada-1.html
http://dhammapadaexplanations.blogspot. ... ada-1.html
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Great, thanks, EmptyShadow for the reference!EmptyShadow wrote:Thera Cakkhupala was blind
http://dhammapadaexplanations.blogspot. ... ada-1.html
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"I do not perceive even one other thing, o monks, that when developed and cultivated entails such great happiness as the mind" (AN 1.30, transl. Ven. Bhikkhu Bodhi)
"So this spiritual life, monks, does not have gain, honor, and renown for its benefit, or the attainment of moral discipline for its benefit, or the attainment of concentration for its benefit, or knowledge and vision for its benefit. But it is this unshakable liberation of mind that is the goal of this spiritual life, its heartwood, and its end," (MN 29, transl. Ven Bhikkhu Bodhi)
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"I do not perceive even one other thing, o monks, that when developed and cultivated entails such great happiness as the mind" (AN 1.30, transl. Ven. Bhikkhu Bodhi)
"So this spiritual life, monks, does not have gain, honor, and renown for its benefit, or the attainment of moral discipline for its benefit, or the attainment of concentration for its benefit, or knowledge and vision for its benefit. But it is this unshakable liberation of mind that is the goal of this spiritual life, its heartwood, and its end," (MN 29, transl. Ven Bhikkhu Bodhi)
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Re: Handicapped monks or nuns?
In the Khemaka Sutta, Ven. Khemaka is diseased and in pain. He remarks that his condition is worsening. Monks come to visit with him and believe he is an arahant. Ven. Khemaka insists that he is not an arahant. Ven. Khemaka visits some of the elder monks and in discussion with them about the clinging aggregates, attains enlightenment. He had to use his staff to get up out of bed to visit the elders.
This is a good thread. I think Buddhism and other rebirth religions have a reputation or rather misconception that handicapped are some how inferior due to bad kamma. And some might incorrectly believe that they do not have access to the holy life or awakening. The examples we are listing here show otherwise. Although there may be some prior kamma ripening, it is not something for us to speculate nor to judge and they have full access to awakening, as the Suttas demonstrate.
This is a good thread. I think Buddhism and other rebirth religions have a reputation or rather misconception that handicapped are some how inferior due to bad kamma. And some might incorrectly believe that they do not have access to the holy life or awakening. The examples we are listing here show otherwise. Although there may be some prior kamma ripening, it is not something for us to speculate nor to judge and they have full access to awakening, as the Suttas demonstrate.
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It may be worthwhile reading what Ajahn Brahmavamso's article states on this question, especially the fifth paragraph.
VINAYA: The Ordination Ceremony of a Monk
http://www.budsas.org/ebud/ebsut020.htm
With metta,
Chris
VINAYA: The Ordination Ceremony of a Monk
http://www.budsas.org/ebud/ebsut020.htm
With metta,
Chris
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That makes some practical sense so as not to be a burden on the other monks or to the lay community. However, apparently once one is ordained and then later obtains some sickness or other disability, they are not thrown out, which is also a good thing.There are others still who should not be ordained, although if they are ordained by mistake their ordination is valid. These include: one with infectious diseases, a slave, one escaped from jail, one known to be wanted by the police, one with unpaid debts, one in the 'King's Service' (e.g. a soldier), one maimed, deformed, disabled or very old (meaning to the extent that it is impractical to perform the duties of monastic life).
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Does this still apply nowadays? Would someone who is "maimed, disabled, deformed" not be allowed into the Order, or are there monasteries that provide facilities for such monks or nuns?cooran wrote:It may be worthwhile reading what Ajahn Brahmavamso's article states on this question, especially the fifth paragraph.
VINAYA: The Ordination Ceremony of a Monk
http://www.budsas.org/ebud/ebsut020.htm
With metta,
Chris
Metta,
Sati1
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"I do not perceive even one other thing, o monks, that when developed and cultivated entails such great happiness as the mind" (AN 1.30, transl. Ven. Bhikkhu Bodhi)
"So this spiritual life, monks, does not have gain, honor, and renown for its benefit, or the attainment of moral discipline for its benefit, or the attainment of concentration for its benefit, or knowledge and vision for its benefit. But it is this unshakable liberation of mind that is the goal of this spiritual life, its heartwood, and its end," (MN 29, transl. Ven Bhikkhu Bodhi)
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"I do not perceive even one other thing, o monks, that when developed and cultivated entails such great happiness as the mind" (AN 1.30, transl. Ven. Bhikkhu Bodhi)
"So this spiritual life, monks, does not have gain, honor, and renown for its benefit, or the attainment of moral discipline for its benefit, or the attainment of concentration for its benefit, or knowledge and vision for its benefit. But it is this unshakable liberation of mind that is the goal of this spiritual life, its heartwood, and its end," (MN 29, transl. Ven Bhikkhu Bodhi)
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As far as I understand, it does apply nowadays.
With metta,
Chris
With metta,
Chris
---The trouble is that you think you have time---
---Worry is the Interest, paid in advance, on a debt you may never owe---
---It's not what happens to you in life that is important ~ it's what you do with it ---
---Worry is the Interest, paid in advance, on a debt you may never owe---
---It's not what happens to you in life that is important ~ it's what you do with it ---
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Interesting and a bit sad.
Sati1
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"I do not perceive even one other thing, o monks, that when developed and cultivated entails such great happiness as the mind" (AN 1.30, transl. Ven. Bhikkhu Bodhi)
"So this spiritual life, monks, does not have gain, honor, and renown for its benefit, or the attainment of moral discipline for its benefit, or the attainment of concentration for its benefit, or knowledge and vision for its benefit. But it is this unshakable liberation of mind that is the goal of this spiritual life, its heartwood, and its end," (MN 29, transl. Ven Bhikkhu Bodhi)
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"I do not perceive even one other thing, o monks, that when developed and cultivated entails such great happiness as the mind" (AN 1.30, transl. Ven. Bhikkhu Bodhi)
"So this spiritual life, monks, does not have gain, honor, and renown for its benefit, or the attainment of moral discipline for its benefit, or the attainment of concentration for its benefit, or knowledge and vision for its benefit. But it is this unshakable liberation of mind that is the goal of this spiritual life, its heartwood, and its end," (MN 29, transl. Ven Bhikkhu Bodhi)