Mkoll wrote:They are on winter retreat now, but they may allow underage people to visit. Contact them and try to arrange a visit to see for yourself.
Mkoll wrote:I'm curious and if you don't mind me asking: why do you want to ordain?
BlackBird wrote:You remind me of myself... Metta and good luck.
I think the reason why I'm so eager is because I fear that if I spend too much time as a lay person, I may get myself stuck in a big rut which will distract me and prevent me from ordaining as soon as possible and getting to the end of the path.
Mkoll wrote:Dear EmptyCittas1by1,If you've already trained yourself to wake up from 3-4am every morning, avoid all sensual pleasures like the plague
Mkoll wrote:And, not to knock you or anything, but you are seventeen years old. Give it a few years and I can virtually guarantee you that your perspectives will change, whether you ordain or not.
Mkoll wrote:"The map is not the territory."
The map–territory relation describes the relationship between an object and a representation of that object, as in the relation between a geographical territory and a map of it. Polish-American scientist and philosopher Alfred Korzybski remarked that "the map is not the territory", encapsulating his view that an abstraction derived from something, or a reaction to it, is not the thing itself. Korzybski held that many people do confuse maps with territories, that is, confuse models of reality with reality itself.
James the Giant wrote:Go stay at both of them, a month at each one.
You don't have to pick one now and immediately commit forever, do you?
I stayed at five monasteries before I decided on the right one for me.
Don't forget the several good monasteries in Canada too, Birken and Tisarana are worth checking out.
James the Giant wrote:What will your expenses be during your Anagarika year? Do you have to pay for medical insurance during that year, before you become a novice? I seem to remember something about that from a guy I met who was starting at Abhayagiri.
Mkoll wrote:Dear EmptyCittas1by1,
Also, it would be good to get the blessing of your parents if you haven't already. Even some older people who want to ordain will obtain their parents' blessing before doing so.
EmptyCittas1by1 wrote:I've never heard of this kind of thing. What is it? My parents are not Buddhist (especially my dad).
-sourceHowever, anyone wishing to become a bhikkhu must fulfill certain conditions about which he will be questioned during the actual ordination procedure. The candidate must be male and at least twenty years old. He must never have committed any grievous crimes and, if previously ordained, he must not have been guilty of any Defeater (Paaraajika) offences or have entered some other religion without disrobing first. (See BMC pp.88-89) He should also be of good reputation; fit and healthy enough to carry out the duties of a bhikkhu; not in debt; not subject to government service; and have permission from parents or guardian.
EmptyCittas1by1 wrote:I've never heard of this kind of thing. What is it?
EmptyCittas1by1 wrote:You have to pay for pretty much everything before you become a novice, if that's what you mean. As a resident, you only follow the 8 precepts — not 10. When you're a novice, you follow the 10 so there's no way to pay off anything. So before you become a novice, all debts must be payed off.
appicchato wrote:EmptyCittas1by1 wrote:I've never heard of this kind of thing. What is it?
The tone of your posts indicates (from this angle) that you are heavy into ordaining although light on the basics...to not know about attaining parental permission says volumes...as others have suggested, a lengthy stay in a temple as a lay person (and boning up on the basics) would be good advice...
All the best...
Buckwheat wrote:I almost hate to say this, but I don't think expenses are really an issue at either monatery. You do have to be debt-free and they make the newcomers work pretty hard, but meals and loding are "free". In monastic life, there's not many other expenses except medical insurance, which at your age should be pretty easy, especially if you are already on a parent's plan.
Buckwheat wrote:I just read the post that you are considering two separate trips from Illinois. Why not make it one trip? You can proabably get a bus from the one to the other for a reasonable fair, and the 101 is a beautiful drive. I know when I reached my time limit at each monastery I would have loved to have jumped right into another one. I have a hard time with the adjustment from monastic life back to the real world.
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