Eczema

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Eczema

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:38 pm

I have light, non-painful eczema exclusively under my eyes. Most of those I've spoken to have said that it wouldn't be an obstacle to ordination, but I wanted to ask the opinions of those on this board. Will this cause any problems to one who aspires to monkhood?
Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
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Re: Eczema

Postby James the Giant » Tue Jul 10, 2012 11:43 am

Then,
saturated with joy,
you will put an end to suffering and stress.

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Re: Eczema

Postby Craig86 » Wed Oct 30, 2013 10:18 pm

I hope nobody minds me resurrecting this old topic but I'd be very interested to see some more comments on this, especially as it's so difficult to find any mention of it elsewhere online.

The main reason I ask is that ordination is a possible route for me in the future but I do experience dry skin on my face and head that is managed through daily moisturising (though I have a specific form of dermatitis that particularly affects my nose and sometimes has to be treated with a corticosteroid cream).

It's certainly something I'll be asking next time I visit my local monastery (Harnham/Aruna Ratanagiri), but I would like to know if the kind of maintenance it takes to control this problem would be a barrier to ordination.

The connected eyebrow part is of note also - I have to shave in between my eyebrows to prevent sporting such a monobrow; as that could easily be incorporated as part of whatever general shaving routine takes place within the monastic setting then can I assume that it wouldn't be an issue?

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Craig

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Re: Eczema

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Re: Eczema

Postby Craig86 » Wed Oct 30, 2013 11:27 pm

Thank you Kmath; I have no doubt I would have someone who could provide such things for me. I think part of my concern would just be that having to moisturise daily could potentially cause issue with the part of the Vinaya about the use of "garlands, perfumes, unguents and adornments".

I also have to take daily anti-histamines due to a range of allergies so have concerns about my health issues being a burden to the monastery, but I suppose there is no reason that would be a problem if a family member would be kind enough to provide such things (anti-histamines are very cheap and a bottle of moisturiser lasts me a good couple of months).

I appreciate you taking the time to respond :)

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Re: Eczema

Postby Christopherxx » Tue Jun 03, 2014 9:50 pm

hey guys, this is an old post but when I stumbled upon it I thought it was important for someone to chime in.

many people get caught up thinking, "Oh I am this or that, or I have this or that affliction, etc. etc."

This is what it means to be alive. We are in a world with viruses living inside of us (Some causing problems some not), bacteria is part of us lol, etc.

I would be very surprised if not saddened if someone seeking liberation was refused from a monastery for eczema, hiv, etc, etc. The only reason I could see a monastery refusing is if they couldn't provide the adequate services to make sure that person would stay in good health, and in the world we live in now even in the remote parts that is very rare.

There are many monks in burma and thailand that come down with infections and or parasites and without medical treatment they would die. They are treated, simple as that.

So don't let any kind of condition, ethnicity, or any other thing of what it means to live in the world hold you back. The good sanghas will not turn you away from your search.

Let's keep on the high road here and not fall to foolish tradition and dogma.

History looks back at those as fools. And it's not loving kindness.

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Re: Eczema

Postby Mkoll » Tue Jun 03, 2014 11:33 pm

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa

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Re: Eczema

Postby Christopherxx » Thu Jun 05, 2014 12:17 am

Mkoll your right I probably overstepped on the reality of the situation.

Though most monasteries I have had the pleasure of being in contact with are wise enough to know what was brought up in a traditional context and for what reasons. That is one of the more rational aspects of Buddhism (In particular Theravada) is that the Pali Canon is viewed as a teaching and instructing material yet not divinely inspired and inerrant.

It's an historical document.

My post was really to bring to attention to an aspect that I see a lot of new and even mature posters bringing up.

The worry that they may not be "right" in Buddhas eyes or that there is some kind of "Ritually clean" & "Unclean" person.

We all have physical and mental problems. It's what it means to be alive and what the Buddha so thankfully provided his instruction to develop through. No one in this world should feel ashamed or of less value because they have a genetic condition, virus, bacteria, ethnicity, physical appearance, etc. And with any actual practice you learn to see these things very neutrally very fast. It's probably one of the first steps when you start progressing and applying the eight fold path in your life.

Always makes me think of the Buddha. If he was pressed with these questions in today's context I think his answer would be quite witty and surprising. Much like how then Ajahn Chah was questioned about sex and he started picking his nose lol ;)

P.s. I am commenting on the situation of how people view themselves and how the buddhist community (sangha) interacts with it's lay followers. Your right unfortunately in the practical sense we have a lot of way to go before the infrastructure catches up with the cultural progression.

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Re: Eczema

Postby manas » Thu Jun 05, 2014 3:56 am

Hi Lonesome,

I used to suffer from eczma, but a combination of eating more natural foods, drinking properly purified water, and applying chickweed ointment on the affected parts, has virtually eliminated it for me, and I would recommend any or all of these.

kind regards
manas
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perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Re: Eczema

Postby dharmagoat » Thu Jun 05, 2014 4:30 am

My eczema was caused by a range of food allergies. By going on an elimination diet I was able to determine which foods were responsible and could then exclude them from my diet. My eczema went from chronic (always present) to very occasional and mild, even without the use of hydrocortisone cream. Using the cream was useful in ensuring that any minor episodes cleared up quickly.

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Re: Eczema

Postby TheNoBSBuddhist » Thu Jun 05, 2014 7:27 am

Christopherxx could I ask, do you smoke, or do you have a respiratory condition?

It sounds weird to ask, but bear with me....
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Re: Eczema

Postby Christopherxx » Thu Jun 05, 2014 11:51 pm

TNBB: Nope, far as I know healthy as a horse and don't drink or smoke.

Though you do have me curious lol

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Re: Eczema

Postby TheNoBSBuddhist » Fri Jun 06, 2014 6:03 am

Oh goodness... stupid, stupid me.... I should have addressed that question to the OP....

I do apologise....

I'm hoping the OP can actually answer that, though....

Lonesome, Yogurt, could I ask, do you smoke, or do you have a respiratory condition?
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You will not be punished FOR your 'emotions'; you will be punished BY your 'emotions'.



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Re: Eczema

Postby Christopherxx » Fri Jun 06, 2014 6:37 pm

TNBB: You had me so curious!

Lol

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Re: Eczema

Postby TheNoBSBuddhist » Fri Jun 06, 2014 6:47 pm

I promise I will explain - but when Lonesome Yogurt responds. I'd rather await a concrete reply than make a total idiot of myself twice in one thread! :rolleye:

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Re: Eczema

Postby dharmagoat » Fri Jun 06, 2014 10:17 pm


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Re: Eczema

Postby Christopherxx » Fri Jun 06, 2014 10:26 pm

He's probably ordained ;) lol

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Re: Eczema

Postby TheNoBSBuddhist » Fri Jun 06, 2014 10:56 pm

Well, if the OP cannot respond for whatever reason, I will expand:

In Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM), there are 5 elements, or transformations, which denote specific qualities, moods, energies, emotions and the like.
The element of Metal, has, as its representative Yin and Yang organs, the Lungs and Large Intestine, respectively.
There is also an associated additional 'organ' which is affected primarily by this specific element, but is also influenced by other factors. In the case of Metal, it is the skin.

The three may seem illogically connected, until you consider that the lungs are large, and if one were to take all the capillaries, and lay them end to end, they would be very long, and cover a large area. They're also very moist and inhale, and exhale, and take in 'pure' air and give out 'impure' air.
Affiliate this, then, with the Large Intestine, and it could almost be described in the same way. And the same goes for the skin, too.

So if we smoke, it affects both the large intestine, which may go unseen and undetected; but it also affects the skin.
This is why, all too often, those who have asthma, also have eczema, and those who smoke, can be prone to dry skin.

Even if people don't smoke, secondary smoking can affect a sensitive system in the same way.

I study TCM (not to practise it, but simply because it is a most fascinating subject) and I never stop learning something new. it is profoundly logical and absolutely spot-on, in far too many cases for it to be dismissed as hokum....
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Re: Eczema

Postby Christopherxx » Sat Jun 07, 2014 2:47 am

Hopefully LY will see this and from all the posts both feel more at ease and see a bettering of his condition :)


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