SN 56.1 Concentration

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SN 56.1 Concentration

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SN 56.1 Concentration
Translated by Bhikkhu Bodhi


At Sāvatthī. “Bhikkhus, develop concentration. A bhikkhu who is concentrated understands things as they really are. [1]

“And what does he understand as it really is? He understands as it really is: ‘This is suffering.’ He understands as it really is: ‘This is the origin of suffering.’ He understands as it really is: ‘This is the cessation of suffering.’ He understands as it really is: ‘This is the way leading to the cessation of suffering.’

“Bhikkhus, develop concentration. A bhikkhu who is concentrated understands things as they really are.

“Therefore, bhikkhus, an exertion should be made to understand: ‘This is suffering.’ [2] An exertion should be made to understand: ‘This is the origin of suffering.’ An exertion should be made to understand: ‘This is the cessation of suffering.’ An exertion should be made to understand: ‘This is the way leading to the cessation of suffering.’”

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1. As at ; the next sutta as at 22:6.

2. Tasmātiha bhikkhave idaṃ dukkhan ti yogo karaṇīyo. Spk: Since a concentrated bhikkhu understands the Four Noble Truths as they really are, therefore you should make an exertion to become concentrated in order to understand the four truths as they really are. And since the round of existence increases for those who do not penetrate them, but stops increasing from the time they are penetrated, therefore you should make an exertion to understand them, thinking, “Let the round not increase for us.”

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Re: SN 56.1 Concentration

Postby mikenz66 » Tue Jul 16, 2013 9:22 am

This is the first sutta of the last samyutta of the Samyutta Nikaya, the Sacca-samyutta, Connected Discourses on the Truths.

This Samyutta contains the Buddhas first discourse
as well as:

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Re: SN 56.1 Concentration

Postby Sylvester » Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:24 am

Apologies for the confusion. I was referring to BB's translation, which looks very real-time (ie the knowledge arises concurrently with the event). That is of course possible in the Commentarial model of insight into DO on a per-citta basis, but somewhat ill-fitting with the 3 lives presentation.

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Re: SN 56.1 Concentration

Postby Sylvester » Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:56 am

One could translate very literally and render the bhūta as "has become". That would be how bhūta as the past participle of bhavati (becomes/is) may be translated very literally. BB's translation (were it not based on the Comy gloss) might lead one to think that the Pali was yathābhavati instead of yathābhūta.

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Re: SN 56.1 Concentration

Postby Sylvester » Sat Jul 20, 2013 4:59 am

I agree, and I suspect we are on the same page in thinking that DO is that structure. Now the question then is whether the sutta statements on DO should be interpreted vide -

- the Vibhanga's per citta and 3 lives models;
- the Comy's interpretation of the Abhidhammic per citta presentation into a per moment model
- or modern commentaries etc etc.

Unless someone found a visual way to fold the linear graph of DO back onto itself at common points (eg consciousness overlaps contact, or volition overlaps craving), I'm not really enthusiastic about the Abhi and Comy digitised models.

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