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AN 5.29: Cankama Sutta — Walking

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 6:25 pm
by mikenz66
AN 5.29 PTS: A iii 29
Cankama Sutta: Walking
translated from the Pali by Aggacitta Bhikkhu & Kumara Bhikkhu


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Monks, there are these five benefits of walking up & down.[1] What five?

One is fit for long journeys; one is fit for striving; one has little disease; that which is eaten, drunk, chewed, tasted, goes through proper digestion; the composure attained by walking up & down is long-lasting.

These, monks, are the five benefits of walking up & down.

Note

1. Cankama: Walking meditation, usually in the form of walking back and forth along a prescribed path. [— jtb]

Re: AN 5.29: Cankama Sutta — Walking

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 6:26 pm
by mikenz66
AN 5.29 PTS: A iii 29
Cankama Sutta: Walking
translated from the Pali by Thanissaro Bhikkhu

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These are the five rewards for one who practices walking meditation. Which five?

He can endure traveling by foot; he can endure exertion; he becomes free from disease; whatever he has eaten & drunk, chewed & savored, becomes well-digested; the concentration he wins while doing walking meditation lasts for a long time.

These are the five rewards for one who practices walking meditation.

Re: AN 5.29: Cankama Sutta — Walking

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 6:30 pm
by mikenz66
AN 5.29: Cankama Sutta
Translated by Bhikkhu Bodhi


“Bhikkhus, there are these five benefits of walking meditation. What five? One becomes capable of journeys; one becomes capable of striving; one becomes healthy; what one has eaten, drunk, consumed, and tasted is properly digested; the concentration attained through walking meditation is long lasting.[998] These are the five benefits of walking meditation.

Note

[998] Cīraṭṭhitiko hoti. Mp: “If one has acquired the mark [of concentration] while standing up, it is lost when one sits down. If one has acquired the mark while sitting, it is lost when one lies down. But for one who has resolved on walking up and down and acquired the mark in a moving object, it is not lost even when one stands still, sits down, and lies down.

Re: AN 5.29: Cankama Sutta — Walking

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 7:14 pm
by Sam Vara
Hi Mike, and welcome back. Did you say you had been on retreat? If so, I hope you had a beneficial time. I wonder if it influenced your choice of Sutta...

I like the point about the concentration being "long-lasting", which is followed up in the note. There certainly does seem to be something about walking meditation which functions as a sort of bridge between the Dhamma-hall and everyday life. It might be that the mindfulness is stronger, or it might be that it is just of a type to cope with stuff moving around all over the place.

There are in the Suttas lots of recommendations of practices on the grounds that they protect health and well-being, as well as serving a higher purpose. Eating once a day is another one. My experience is that they rarely, for lay practitioners, deliver what we might expect them to. Solvitur ambulans, anyway.

Re: AN 5.29: Cankama Sutta — Walking

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 7:45 pm
by mikenz66
Thanks for the message, and the Latin lesson, Sam:
solvitur ambulando

Indeed, I did a lot of walking on retreat, and my experience that the samādhi generated by walking meditation is long lasting and robust matches the sutta (and commentary) because one is able to focus on a variety of "moving objects".

:anjali:
Mike

Re: AN 5.29: Cankama Sutta — Walking

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 2:54 am
by retrofuturist
Greetings,

Does "cankama" really mean "walking meditation" or are various translators taking certain liberties here...?

I sense they may be bending something quite straight-forward and literal as "walking" to conform to their own "meditation"-centric views on the Dhamma.

Metta,
Retro. :)

Re: AN 5.29: Cankama Sutta — Walking

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 4:20 am
by mikenz66
Hi Retro,
Here is the Pali:
5. 1. 3. 9
(Caṅkamānisaṃsasuttaṃ)
29. Pañcime bhikkhave caṅkame ānisaṃsā. Katame pañca?
[PTS Page 030] addhānakkhamo hoti. Padhānakkhamo hoti. Appābādho hoti. Asitapītakhāyitasāyitaṃ1 sammā parināmaṃ gacchati. Caṅkamādhigato samādhi ciraṭṭhitiko hoti.
Ime kho bhikkhave pañca caṅkame ānisaṃsāti.
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... ml#pts.030" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
It certainly seems to mean something that leads to samādhi, and is something to do with walking up and down, according to the PTS dictionary:
Cankama [Sk. cankrama & cankramā, fr. cankamati] (a) walking up & down S iv.104. -- (b) the place where one is walking, esp. a terraced walk, cloister Vin i.15, 182; ii.220; D i.105; S i.212; A i.114; 183; iii.29; iv.87; J i.17; ii.273; v.132 (cp. kattaradaṇḍa -- passages).
http://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/philol ... :1357.pali" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
:anjali:
Mike

Re: AN 5.29: Cankama Sutta — Walking

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 5:00 am
by kirk5a
I happened upon another benefit of walking meditation the Buddha described (in a list of other remedies for drowsiness)
"But if by doing this you don't shake off your drowsiness, then — percipient of what lies in front & behind — set a distance to meditate walking back & forth, your senses inwardly immersed, your mind not straying outwards. It's possible that by doing this you will shake off your drowsiness.
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: AN 5.29: Cankama Sutta — Walking

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 5:20 am
by Sylvester
Retro has a point. The text does not actually say "walking meditation". It simply says -
Pañcime bhikkhave caṅkame ānisaṃsā.
The first translation is therefore the most faithful and least "embellished". However, I don't think it's doctrinally incorrect to "embellish" caṅkama here to refer to walking meditation, since mindfulness is recommended to be established in any of the 4 iriyāpatha (postures of walking, standing, sitting, and lying down), eg MN 10's 2nd kāyānupassanā after mindfulness of breathing.

As for the caṅkamādhigato samādhi, it's parsed as caṅkama+adhigata samādhi. Adhigata = attained. Can't quite decide if the caṅkamādhigato is a bahubbīhi compound or a instrumentive tappurisa. Probably the former, since it seems to function as an adjective to qualify the samādhi.

Re: AN 5.29: Cankama Sutta — Walking

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 5:36 am
by lojong1
kirk5a wrote:...then — percipient of what lies in front & behind — set a distance to meditate walking back & forth, your senses inwardly immersed, your mind not straying outwards.
fan, f f faan f f f faan f faantastic! I've ached for months to see this in a sutta.

Re: AN 5.29: Cankama Sutta — Walking

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 12:53 pm
by Sam Vara
It certainly seems to mean something that leads to samādhi, and is something to do with walking up and down
Do you think that the same meaning is implied in the Dantabhumi Sutta ?
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... html#fnt-2
Now at that time the novice Aciravata was staying in the Forest Hut.[1] Then prince Jayasena,[2] who was always pacing up and down, always roaming about on foot, approached the novice Aciravata; having approached he exchanged greetings with the novice Aciravata; having exchanged greetings of friendliness and courtesy, he sat down at a respectful distance.
I took this to mean that Prince Jayasena was restless and wandering. Is the Pali term the same, and do you think that Jayasena might have been engaging on a spiritual practice before meeting Aciravata? It doesn't seem likely from the later description of him.

Re: AN 5.29: Cankama Sutta — Walking

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 6:33 pm
by mikenz66
Good question Sam,

Note that walking up and down appears on a number of suttas on the gradual training:
Mindfulness & Alertness

"When going forward and returning, he acts with alertness. When looking toward and looking away... when bending and extending his limbs... when carrying his outer cloak, his upper robe, and his bowl... when eating, drinking, chewing, and tasting... when urinating and defecating... when walking, standing, sitting, falling asleep, waking up, talking, and remaining silent, he acts with alertness.
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
However, the terminology is different here:
22. So abhikkante paṭikkante sampajānakārī hoti, ālokite vilokite sampajānakārī hoti, sammiñjite pasārite sampajānakārī hoti, saṅghāṭipattacīvaradhāraṇe sampajānakārī hoti, asite pīte khāyite sāyite sampajānakārī hoti, uccārapassāvakamme sampajānakārī hoti, gate ṭhite nisinne sutte jāgarite bhāsite tuṇhībhāve sampajānakārī hoti.
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... ml#pts.181" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
:anjali:
Mike

Re: AN 5.29: Cankama Sutta — Walking

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:23 pm
by mikenz66
Since the point of the suttas is to inform practice, does anyone have further comments on their experience of the relative stability of concentration developed when walking rather than sitting?

:anjali:
Mike

Re: AN 5.29: Cankama Sutta — Walking

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 10:09 am
by gavesako
“Bhikkhus, you should train thus: ’We will be devoted to wakefulness; by walking and sitting meditation during the day, … night, we will purify our minds of obstructive states.’”
(MN 39.10)

I left my dwelling overcome by sleepiness. Going onto the walking path, I fell down on the earth.
Having rubbed my limbs and having gone onto the walking-meditation path again, I did walking meditation and became well composed in mind.
Then wise attention arose in me, the danger in existence became clear, disenchantment was established, and my mind was released.
(Bhagu Thera, Theragatha 271–273)



I am personally very fond of walking meditation which is emphasised a lot in the Thai forest tradition. In the West for some reason (probably influence of Goenka and Mahasi style retreats) the emphasis is always on "sitting" and walking is seen more like stretching the legs. This is reflected in the typical retreat schedules which start with a period of sitting very early in the afternoon, after the main meal of the day. People have no time to digest the food and are often sleepy during this time (1-3 pm). It would be more in keeping with the Buddha's instructions if more importance was given to walking meditation in the West.

Here is a good article by Ajahn Nyanadhammo explaining this point:

Three Expositions on Walking Meditation
http://www.bps.lk/olib/wh/wh464-p.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: AN 5.29: Cankama Sutta — Walking

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 10:24 am
by mikenz66
Bhante,
gavesako wrote: I am personally very fond of walking meditation which is emphasised a lot in the Thai forest tradition. In the West for some reason (probably influence of Goenka and Mahasi style retreats) the emphasis is always on "sitting" and walking is seen more like stretching the legs. This is reflected in the typical retreat schedules which start with a period of sitting very early in the afternoon, after the main meal of the day. People have no time to digest the food and are often sleepy during this time (1-3 pm). It would be more in keeping with the Buddha's instructions if more importance was given to walking meditation in the West.
I definitely agree on the importance of walking. However, my experience with Mahasi-style monastic teachers is that they place a lot of emphasis on walking. I've been taught to start with walking and to normally do an equal amount of each. But I do find that the lay groups I've been involved with tend to start with sitting, which often sends me to sleep... :zzz:

:anjali:
Mike