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Re: Nisidati pallankam abhujitva ujum kayam panidhaya...

Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:19 pm
by alan...
Cittasanto wrote:Hi Alan,
Venerable Anandajoti (who I used the pali text of) renders it like this
suññāgāragato vā, nisīdati.
or has gone to an empty place, sits down.
Pallaṅkaṁ ābhujitvā, ujuṁ kāyaṁ paṇidhāya,
After folding his legs crosswise, setting his body straight,
parimukhaṁ satiṁ upaṭṭhapetvā,
and establishing mindfulness at the front,
I doubt the Buddha actually meant only one specific posture, it seams strange considering he never mentions how to stand, walk, or laydown in instructions, he only mentions to use these postures.
but just to note there is mention of how the Buddha lay down, walked... but to assume he was strict regarding posture when there are reasons not to adopt certain sitting postures seams to tight when it comes to here.
great thanks!

Re: Nisidati pallankam abhujitva ujum kayam panidhaya...

Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:58 pm
by Cittasanto
Cittasanto wrote:Hi Alan,
Venerable Anandajoti (who I used the pali text of) renders it like this
suññāgāragato vā, nisīdati.
or has gone to an empty place, sits down.
Pallaṅkaṁ ābhujitvā, ujuṁ kāyaṁ paṇidhāya,
After folding his legs crosswise, setting his body straight,
parimukhaṁ satiṁ upaṭṭhapetvā,
and establishing mindfulness at the front,
I doubt the Buddha actually meant only one specific posture, it seams strange considering he never mentions how to stand, walk, or laydown in instructions, he only mentions to use these postures.
but just to note there is mention of how the Buddha lay down, walked... but to assume he was strict regarding posture when there are reasons not to adopt certain sitting postures seams to tight when it comes to here.
Actually just to contrast this with the precepts.
With the precepts the Buddha is very clear as to what is meant, and expands, rewords, incorporates allowances... for the rules so they can be understood exactly what is meant. when a rule says don't wear jewellery, he means it, it isn't a case that he means exept in X, Y, or Z when he didn't say that. and the same is true elsewhere the Buddha says what he means sometimes a general principle can be applied, at another time a literal principle is meant.

so in essance you have to decide if it is a general or litteral principle that is needed to understand these things.

Re: Nisidati pallankam abhujitva ujum kayam panidhaya...

Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 10:28 pm
by Sekha
I believe this would have been helpful:

http://www.buddha-vacana.org/formulae/vivitta.html#b" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: Nisidati pallankam abhujitva ujum kayam panidhaya...

Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 11:41 pm
by alktheone
Another good occurrence of pallankam posture, meaning something rather firm and needed to be "split up" to release from. In the Mahāgosiṅga Sutta Buddha speaks about a monk determined to attain the final goal:

na tāvāhaṃ imaṃ pallaṅkaṃ bhindissāmi yāva me nānupādāya āsavehi cittaṃ vimuccissati.

I will not split up this pallanka position until my heart is freed from taints through not clinging.