what is meant by nothing felt?

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what is meant by nothing felt?

Postby jcsuperstar » Wed Mar 04, 2009 11:16 am

from Anguttara IX,iv,3 <A.iv,414>:

"The venerable Saariputta said this: 'Nibbaana is happiness, Friends, Nibbaana is happiness!' - When this was said, the venerable Udaayi said to the venerable Saariputta: 'But what is happiness, Friend Saariputta, since herein there is nothing felt [n'atthi vedayitan'ti]?' - 'Just this is happiness, Friend, that herein there is nothing felt,' [answered Venerable Saariputta]."
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the mountain may be heavy in and of itself, but if you're not trying to carry it it's not heavy to you- Ajaan Suwat

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Re: what is meant by nothing felt?

Postby Dhammanando » Wed Mar 04, 2009 1:15 pm

“Felt happiness” (vedayita sukha) means the vedanā that arises dependent on either the five cords of sense pleasure (kāmaguṇa) or the eight attainments (samāpatti). But this happiness is not unqualifiedly happy for it is still subject to saṅkhāara-dukkha. (“Whatsoever is felt, all that is included in dukkha” — MN. iii. 207).

“Non-felt happiness” (avedayita sukha) is not any kind of vedanā, but rather is a term for nirodha. Being free even of saṅkhāra-dukkha this is an unqualifiedly happy state.

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Dhammanando Bhikkhu
Khandhānaṃ rāsaṭṭhaṃ, āyatanānaṃ āyatanaṭṭhaṃ,
Dhātūnaṃ suññaṭṭhaṃ, indriyānaṃ adhipatiyaṭṭhaṃ,
Saccānaṃ tathaṭṭhaṃ aviditaṃ karotītipi ‘avijjā’.

It prevents knowing the meaning of heap in the aggregates, the meaning of actuating in the sense-bases, the meaning of voidness in the elements, the meaning of predominance in the faculties, and the meaning of suchness in the truths, thus it is called ‘ignorance’.
(Visuddhimagga XVII. 43)

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