legolas wrote:
access/momentary concentration
Jhāna and all 37 factors of awakening can last for a finger snap (second).
See this chapter in AN book of 1's PTS A 1.38
18. Aparaaccharāsaṅghātavaggo
382.
If the bhikkhu could raise his mind to the first jhana for the fraction of a second,
405.
If he develops the mental faculty of concentration, for the fraction of a second,...
410.
If he develops the power of concentration for the fraction of a second,...
417.
If he develops the enlightenment factor concentration for the fraction of a second,...
426.
If he develops right concentration for the fraction of a second,...
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legolas wrote:
path/fruit discrepancies
Path can be momentary (last a short duration).
419. If he develops right view for the
fraction of a second...
420. If he develops right thoughts for the
fraction of a second...
421. If he develops right speech for the
fraction of a second...
422. If he develops right action for the
fraction of a second...
423. If he develops right livelihood for the
fraction of a second...
424. If he develops right endeavor for the
fraction of a second...
425. If he develops right mindfulness for the
fraction of a second...
426. If he develops right concentration for the
fraction of a second...
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These things can occur for such a short time (
fraction of a second, one second, for a fingersnap, etc). This explains suttas (ex: bahiya sutta) where a worldling could become an Arahant within minutes.
legolas wrote:
dry insight
In Vimuttāyatanasuttaṃ (AN 5.3.6. or AN 5.3.26 PTS A 3.21) there are description of 5 (
hearing, teaching, reciting, considering, reflecting on samadhi sign with wisdom) occasions for liberation. 4 of 5 are not due to "meditation".
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Many suttas do support that ascertion when the describe a monk becoming awakened during listening to the sutta.
1.
Samādhi and sati are not absolutely required for stream entry.
Suppabuddha the Leper became stream enterer while he heard the Buddha for the first time. As a stream enterer he acquired these qualities Confidence (saddhaṃ), Virtue(sīlaṃ), Hearing/Learning (sutaṃ), Relinquishment (cāgaṃ), Wisdom (paññaṃ). Samādhi and even sati was not one of them. So if he could do it, others can as well. -Ud 5.3
2. Wisdom (paññā) cuts of unwholesome qualities. –Snp 5.1
3. Concentration is not the essence. - SN22.88 (6) Assaji
4. Jhāna is just “
pleasant abiding here and now” that does not efface things like wrong view. -MN8
5. Reaching 4 Jhānas, and being a monk is no guarantee that one will not be tempted by sensual pleasures and disrobe on account of them. - AN 6.60
Thus the debate is over. The sufficient qualities for stream entry according to the suttas are:
Confidence (saddhaṃ), Virtue(sīlaṃ), Hearing/Learning (sutaṃ), Relinquishment (cāgaṃ), Wisdom (paññaṃ)
Samādhi is not required for stream-entry. I hope that this will settle the great Samatha Vs Vipassana debate.
With the destruction of the first three fetters, he is a stream-winner, not subject to states of deprivation, headed for self-awakening for sure."…
But on encountering the Dhamma & Discipline made known by the Tathagata, he acquired conviction, virtue, learning, relinquishment, & discernment
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Whatever streams there are in the world: their blocking is mindfulness, mindfulness is their restraint — I tell you
with discernment (paññā) they're finally stopped.
[According to the Culaniddesa (Nd.II), the streams that "flow every which way" are the streams of craving, views, conceit, defilement, corruption, and ignorance that flow out the six sense media.]
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Those recluses and brahmins, Assaji, who regard concentration as the essence, who identify concentration with recluseship, failing to obtain concentration might think, ‘Let us not fall away!’” - SN22.88 (6) Assaji Ven.BB Trans.
"It may be, Cunda, that some monk, detached from sense-objects, detached from unsalutary ideas, enters into the first absorption that is born of detachment, accompanied by thought-conception and discursive thinking, and filled with rapture and joy, and he then might think: 'I am abiding in effacement.' But in the Noble One's discipline it is not these [attainments] that are called 'effacement'; in the Noble One's discipline they are called 'abidings in ease here and now
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a certain person secluded from sensual desires ... re ... attains to the fourth higher state of mind. Thinking I am the gainer of the fourth higher state of mind [Jhāna] he mixes up with the bhikkhus, bhikkhunis, lay disciples male and female. kings and the ministers of kings, with those of other faiths and their disciples. Abiding with that association, diffused and engaged in talk, the mind touched with greed and corrupted he would give up the holy life and come to low life.
6. Hatthisariputtasuttaṃ Ý Venerable Hatthisariputta
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legolas wrote:
nana knowledges
Insight knowledges (
ñāṇa) are frequently encountered.
Stages of purification: MN24
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purity in terms of virtue is simply for the sake of purity in terms of mind. Purity in terms of mind is simply for the sake of purity in terms of view. Purity in terms of view is simply for the sake of purity in terms of the overcoming of perplexity. Purity in terms of the overcoming of perplexity is simply for the sake of purity in terms of knowledge & vision of what is & is not the path. Purity in terms of knowledge & vision of what is & is not the path is simply for the sake of purity in terms of knowledge & vision of the way. Purity in terms of knowledge & vision of the way is simply for the sake of purity in terms of knowledge & vision. Purity in terms of knowledge & vision is simply for the sake of total Unbinding through lack of clinging. "
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DN34 (Dasuttarasuttaṃ), 9 stages of purification: Book of 9s PTS 3.288
‘‘katame nava dhammā bhāvetabbā? Nava pārisuddhipadhāniyaṅgāni – sīlavisuddhi pārisuddhipadhāniyaṅgaṃ, cittavisuddhi pārisuddhipadhāniyaṅgaṃ, diṭṭhivisuddhi pārisuddhipadhāniyaṅgaṃ, kaṅkhāvitaraṇavisuddhi pārisuddhipadhāniyaṅgaṃ, maggāmaggañāṇadassana – visuddhi pārisuddhipadhāniyaṅgaṃ, paṭipadāñāṇadassanavisuddhi pārisuddhipadhāniyaṅgaṃ, ñāṇadassanavisuddhi pārisuddhipadhāniyaṅgaṃ, paññāvisuddhi pārisuddhipadhāniyaṅgaṃ, vimuttivisuddhi pārisuddhipadhāniyaṅgaṃ. Ime nava dhammā bhāvetabbā.