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A. Brahm's When Does Human Life Begin..?

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Postby binocular » Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:22 am

The discussion about when a human life begins isn't relevant to the discussion of abortion, inasmuch as those who pursue an abortion are acting with the intention to kill a human. Some people say that performing an abortion is about "removing unwanted tissue" and such; but what they really want is that a human wouldn't come out of that tissue; as such, for all practical intents and purposes, they are acting with the intention to kill a human.

This remains the same, regardless of what the actual status of an unborn is (whether it's alive or not, whether it's human or not, whether it feels anything or not, etc.).

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Postby santa100 » Thu Dec 08, 2016 5:22 pm

Not sure if Ven. Brahm's seen some staggering figures . If he did, he'd probably be a lot more prudent with his words and claims. Being a Dhamma teacher carries tremendous responsibility. For not only s/he has to be careful about the truthfulness of their words, but also how that truth will influence the final take-away message that his followers perceive and implement. Bad enough for a person to head toward a cliff alone, but it'll be disastrous for him to lead thousands of others down with him.

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Postby Bakmoon » Fri Dec 09, 2016 10:38 am

I'm not an expert on Abhidhamma, but I don't think that the idea of a gandhabba is found in the abhidhamma, but is exclusive to the suttanta presentation. In the Abhidhamma presentation, patisandhi-citta arises in the embryo or fetus immediately after the death consciousness occurs. If that is true, then there isn't any time for a gandhabba to travel all the way and enter into the fetus.

In all honesty though I don't know how these details really help resolve the issue. The real essence of the question is when does patisandhi citta arise or when does the gandhabba descend into the developing embryo or fetus. Do the texts give an answer to this question?
The non-doing of any evil,
The performance of what's skillful,
The cleansing of one's own mind:
This is the Buddhas' teaching.

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Postby Mr Man » Fri Dec 09, 2016 12:12 pm

On the more controversial side of this topic - abortion. In my opinion even if we take a "orthodox" view (and for monks in my opinion that is almost a necessity) I still think we should be careful in our judgement of others positions/actions + potential results.

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The non-doing of any evil,
The performance of what's skillful,
The cleansing of one's own mind:
This is the Buddhas' teaching.


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