What are the Dve Mātikā?

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What are the Dve Mātikā?

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Wed Nov 27, 2013 10:51 pm

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Re: What are the Dve Mātikā?

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Re: What are the Dve Mātikā?

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Wed Nov 27, 2013 11:37 pm

Thank you for that. I will take a look at the Visuddhimagga tomorrow. It's getting late here.
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Re: What are the Dve Mātikā?

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Sat Dec 14, 2013 9:09 pm

Sorry for the long delay in getting back to you. I finally got to the end of the book, and started going through again, indexing, and checking the notes.

Since the Mahāsi Sayādaw's discourse refers to the Pāṭimokkha, I will take it to be the rules of bhikkhus and bhikkhunis, rather than the Dhamma/Vinaya suggested by the Great Subcommentary.
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Re: What are the Dve Mātikā?

Postby gavesako » Sat Dec 14, 2013 9:47 pm

The term "mātikā" (summary, list) seems to have been used first to refer to the bare list of rules in the bhikkhu-pātimokkha and bhikkhuni-pātimokkha. There appear to have been monks and nuns who specialized in memorizing and reciting them. Then there were the detailed explanations and elaborations of those lists, called the sutta-vibhanga ("sutta" also had a somewhat different meaning than what we understand by it today, it meant something like "rule"). Only later on, as the Abhidhamma was gradually developed along similar lines, "mātikā" also refers to the various lists of dhammas enumerated therein.
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