Is Kamma self?

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Is Kamma self?

Postby mydoghasfleas » Sat Sep 07, 2013 11:35 am

I'm not sure if this is the right board to pose this question but here it is.

I read:
When you see with discernment,
'All phenomena are not-self' —
you grow disenchanted with stress.
This is the path
to purity. -- Dhp 279

There is also:
"'I am the owner of my actions, heir to my actions, born of my actions, related through my actions, and have my actions as my arbitrator. Whatever I do, for good or for evil, to that will I fall heir.' ... AN 5.57

And:
"Now, what is impermanent, unsatisfactory, subject to change, is it proper to regard it as: 'This is mine, this I am, this is my self'?" -- SN 22.59

Now I know the last excerpt is specifically talking about the five aggregates of clinging. But one of those aggregates is mental formations. Kamma is directly related to mental formations. So it would seem to be saying that Kamma is (also) not self.

Yet AN 5.57 seems to imply that Kamma is self.

Can someone here give me some insight as to how these three excerpts relate to one another?

Thank you for your consideration of this question.

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Re: Is Kamma self?

Postby reflection » Sat Sep 07, 2013 12:42 pm

AN 5.57 is on a conventional level, not the deeper level of reality. It is more a practical encouragement that a specific person is responsible for his or her actions, not somebody else. And that that person will be the one getting the results of the actions. But that person an his or her actions are still without a self.

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Re: Is Kamma self?

Postby mydoghasfleas » Sun Sep 08, 2013 12:39 pm

Well do you think Kamma could (or should) also be considered not self in an ultimate rather than a conventional sense?

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Re: Is Kamma self?

Postby reflection » Sun Sep 08, 2013 12:50 pm

Yes. From experience, but also the suttas say that volition or intention -and thus kamma- is no-self.

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Re: Is Kamma self?

Postby mydoghasfleas » Mon Sep 09, 2013 10:43 am

Thank you for taking the time to consider this question. Your answers are helpful.

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Re: Is Kamma self?

Postby Mkoll » Mon Sep 09, 2013 1:36 pm

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa

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