Sutta on Different types of progress

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Sutta on Different types of progress

Postby Sumano » Mon Feb 11, 2013 1:27 pm

I am looking for a sutta that describes progress along the Path as fourfold: slow and difficult, slow but easy, fast and easy, and fast but difficult. Can anyone help locate this sutta? I tried googling, but couldn't find it. Thanks!
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Re: Sutta on Different types of progress

Postby santa100 » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:42 pm

Maybe MN 45? ( http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html ):

"Monks, there are these four ways of taking on practices. Which four? There is the taking on of a practice that is pleasant in the present but yields pain in the future. There is the taking on of a practice that is painful in the present and yields pain in the future. There is the taking on of a practice that is painful in the present but yields pleasure in the future. There is the taking on of a practice that is pleasant in the present and yields pleasure in the future."

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Re: Sutta on Different types of progress

Postby Sumano » Mon Feb 11, 2013 5:31 pm

Thank you, but I'm afraid it's not the one I'm looking for. :)
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Re: Sutta on Different types of progress

Postby daverupa » Mon Feb 11, 2013 6:24 pm

Hmm...

AN 4.162 wrote:"And which is painful practice with slow intuition?...
"And which is painful practice with quick intuition?...
"And which is pleasant practice with slow intuition?...
"And which is pleasant practice with quick intuition?...


...?
    "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting oneself one protects others? By the pursuit, development, and cultivation of the four establishments of mindfulness. It is in such a way that by protecting oneself one protects others.

    "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting others one protects oneself? By patience, harmlessness, goodwill, and sympathy. It is in such a way that by protecting others one protects oneself.
- Sedaka Sutta [SN 47.19]

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Re: Sutta on Different types of progress

Postby Sumano » Mon Feb 11, 2013 6:45 pm

daverupa wrote:Hmm...

AN 4.162 wrote:"And which is painful practice with slow intuition?...
"And which is painful practice with quick intuition?...
"And which is pleasant practice with slow intuition?...
"And which is pleasant practice with quick intuition?...


...?


Thank you. I haven't read this sutta before, and it appears very close in meaning to the one I'm looking for, but still I think it's not it. The sutta was saying that the practice of the Path for some is "easy and swift", for others "easy but slow", for still others "difficult but swift", for others "difficult and slow"... something along those lines...

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Re: Sutta on Different types of progress

Postby equilibrium » Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:01 pm

Stephen K wrote:I am looking for a sutta that describes progress along the Path as fourfold: slow and difficult, slow but easy, fast and easy, and fast but difficult. Can anyone help locate this sutta? I tried googling, but couldn't find it. Thanks!

"There are four ways of progress, brother Sariputta:

difficult progress, with sluggish direct-knowledge;
difficult progress, with swift direct-knowledge;
easy progress, with sluggish direct-knowledge;
easy progress, with swift direct-knowledge.

Is this it?

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Re: Sutta on Different types of progress

Postby Sumano » Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:09 pm

equilibrium wrote:
Stephen K wrote:I am looking for a sutta that describes progress along the Path as fourfold: slow and difficult, slow but easy, fast and easy, and fast but difficult. Can anyone help locate this sutta? I tried googling, but couldn't find it. Thanks!

"There are four ways of progress, brother Sariputta:

difficult progress, with sluggish direct-knowledge;
difficult progress, with swift direct-knowledge;
easy progress, with sluggish direct-knowledge;
easy progress, with swift direct-knowledge.

Is this it?


Yes. That's the one. What's its reference number? Thanks!
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Re: Sutta on Different types of progress

Postby equilibrium » Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:24 pm

Stephen K wrote:Yes. That's the one. What's its reference number? Thanks!

It is a book, maybe of interest.
Under part II Maturity of insight: Friendships.
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/auth ... el090.html

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Re: Sutta on Different types of progress

Postby santa100 » Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:32 pm

AN Book of the Fours has quite a few suttas with similar themes (daverupa's AN 4.162 and equilibrium's AN 4.167 (this one's not on accesstoinsight.org yet)):

http://www.metta.lk/tipitaka/2Sutta-Pit ... ggo-e.html

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Re: Sutta on Different types of progress

Postby Sumano » Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:41 pm

Thank you all! :smile:
I am on the path, however not yet advanced. Any opinions or insights I share are meant entirely for discussion purposes and in cases where people might find them beneficial in whatever way. Since I am not advanced on the Path, I cannot guarantee that what I say will always necessarily be 100% true or in line with the Dhamma. However, having had an extremely interesting life with a wide variety of different (many of them deep) experiences, I hope that anything I share will be of use, provide food for thought, and inspire interesting and beneficial discussions.

Mettā to all! :anjali:


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