The experience of the arahant

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The experience of the arahant

Postby retrofuturist » Sat Aug 11, 2012 5:05 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: The experience of the arahant

Postby cooran » Sat Aug 11, 2012 8:08 am

Hello Retro,

You may be interested in this .pdf:

Scroll down to page 5 for discussion of Citta -

Attributes of an Arahant
http://www.buddhistteachings.org/wp-con ... rahant.pdf

addit: Beginning on page 101 of this link:
Rune E. A. Johanssen’s Analysis of Citta: A Criticism by Arvind Sharma
http://mcgill.academia.edu/ArvindSharma ... _Criticism


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Re: The experience of the arahant

Postby retrofuturist » Sat Aug 11, 2012 9:39 am

Greetings Chris,

Thanks for that - both were very interesting.

:reading: :reading:

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Retro. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: The experience of the arahant

Postby robertk » Sat Aug 11, 2012 10:08 am

Re retros question, yes of course arahats still experience lokiya dhammas!

Lokiya dhammas like seeing, color, hearing , sound etc are all - just as much as for a worling- part of an arahts daily life.
What never arises for the arahat- while a common part of daily life for the wordling- is anger, desire , ignorance , conceit and self view.

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Re: The experience of the arahant

Postby retrofuturist » Sat Aug 11, 2012 10:12 am

Thanks (as always) Robert.

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Retro. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: The experience of the arahant

Postby robertk » Sat Aug 11, 2012 10:20 am

Thanks too, for bringing this up Retro.

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Re: The experience of the arahant

Postby Cittasanto » Sat Aug 11, 2012 12:58 pm

Hi Retro,
I do not the source but maybe of use

"The Arahants are individuals of one mind"
I believe it is one of the main disciples who said this, maybe Sariputta or Ananda.


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: The experience of the arahant

Postby Ytrog » Sat Aug 11, 2012 6:08 pm

Cooran, how did you find these sources? I'm curious because I'm always wondering how some people on DhammaWheel come up with some sources. I really want to learn more. :reading:


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