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anatta and cetana and conditions for right view

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Re: anatta and cetana (will, intention): Kamma negated?

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Re: anatta and cetana (will, intention): Kamma negated?

Postby Rui Sousa » Mon Aug 09, 2010 5:06 pm

I usually think of the mind continuum as a river, in which cittas follow each other as water molecules follow each others. Conditions are the river beds, rocks and trees. Kamma is gravity and other physical forces.

Because water molecules don't control the river flow, don't decide were to go, and because there is no self in the river, gravity cannot be denied.

Am I oversimplifying?
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Re: anatta and cetana (will, intention): Kamma negated?

Postby Hanzze » Fri Sep 07, 2012 7:25 am

Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: anatta and cetana (will, intention): Kamma negated?

Postby kirk5a » Fri Sep 07, 2012 2:13 pm

This confusion is what happens when people try to treat the Dhamma as a series of philosophical propositions rather than a vehicle for awakening.
"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: anatta and cetana (will, intention): Kamma negated?

Postby Hanzze » Sat Sep 08, 2012 4:29 am

I guess that this conclusion: "at the level of kamma there is no existence of atta" had leaded mainly to something which might be known as crazy-wisdom or let me call it upekkha-vedana-tendency. Kamma and atta are interrelated with each other. If one is not, how could the other be?

The famous sentence of Buddhagosha (which might have lead to the idea) should be taken with care, as it is more a try to connect two kinds of truth, and with it more step that should be taken (penetrated) rather than a philosophical valve (even it was maybe intented as such). So anatta is better observed as developed.
Just that! *smile*


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Re: anatta and cetana (will, intention): Kamma negated?

Postby mikenz66 » Sat Sep 08, 2012 5:29 am

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Re: anatta and cetana (will, intention): Kamma negated?

Postby Alex123 » Sat Sep 15, 2012 9:01 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: anatta and cetana (will, intention): Kamma negated?

Postby UhBaUnTaUh » Sat Sep 15, 2012 11:08 pm

When I saw last 2 replies of mikenz66, and SamKR, I thought "Why I hadn't came to this forum in the past ?"

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I tried to describe my friends like that but they can't understand, though we used the same nation language.

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Re: anatta and cetana (will, intention): Kamma negated?

Postby Hanzze » Sun Sep 16, 2012 12:42 am

Do you think it was a problem of the speaker or the listener?
Just that! *smile*


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