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What is bhavangacitta?

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What is bhavangacitta?

Postby Coëmgenu » Sun Dec 18, 2016 3:49 am

So I have an idea of what is being talked about in the literature when bhavangacitta is discussed, but does anyone know what commentarial and Abhidhammic literature deals directly with giving what is probably a more accurate and concise definition of bhavangacitta than what I have been able to piece together as an amatuer?

At one point I thought it was the same thing as the re-linking consciousness but it seems that its sort of a word for "what is experienced when nothing sensory is being experienced", like in deep sleep when you don't remember sleeping upon awakening. But that is a very vague and tenuous definition and one that I am sure I have gotten either completely wrong or somewhat wrong having missed a nuance or two or many.

So what is bhavangacitta?

*ideally I would like this to be informative for me and others reading this thread who have the same questions as me, so please don't make this into a debate about whether or not Abhidhamma is 'real' Buddhadharma*

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Re: What is bhavangacitta?

Postby SarathW » Sun Dec 18, 2016 4:09 am

You find a quick reference here. If you need details explanation please read Bikkhu Bodhi's book for which I do not have the link readily available.

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The mind occurs in both passive and active modes. The passive gives way to the active when a
stimulus is received through one of the sense doors. The passive state of mind is called
bhavaṅga, cuti, or paṭisandhi, according to the occasion.


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Re: What is bhavangacitta?

Postby SarathW » Sun Dec 18, 2016 4:10 am

The question I have is whether Arahant also possess Bhavanga Citta.
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Re: What is bhavangacitta?

Postby cjmacie » Sun Dec 18, 2016 4:39 am

Good in-depth article by scholar Rupert Gethin:
"Bhavaṅga and Rebirth According to the Abhidhamma"

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Re: What is bhavangacitta?

Postby mikenz66 » Sun Dec 18, 2016 4:44 am

These threads discuss possible connections between the Abhidhamma bhavanghacitta and the storehouse consciousness concept found in some Mahayana contexts:

Continuity of kamma = contuinity of consciousness? http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?t=24951
Kamma, Vipaka and Rebirth http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?t=21076

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Re: What is bhavangacitta?

Postby Dhamma_Basti » Wed May 17, 2017 11:54 pm

A little bit more recently William Waldron devoted a whole chapter of his book "The Buddhist Unconscious: The Alaya-vijñana in the context of Indian Buddhist Thought" on the bhavaṅga-citta in theravāda-abdhidhamma. I found it very worth reading.
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Re: What is bhavangacitta?

Postby Dhamma_Basti » Thu May 18, 2017 11:39 am

I have to excuse myself I am not an abhidhamma-scholar even though I would like to learn more about it. In what way does the Patthana provide solutions to the problems pointed out by Waldron? I am by the way not very found of american scholarship simply out of the reason of the sometimes low quality of the philological base of their research, and I would not be too surprised to see that Waldron's publication suffer the same shortcomings. Mainly for the reason that he did publish a very euphoric review of a publication of Dan Lusthaus which I, after going through it with some care, have to dismiss as quite weak when it comes to the understanding of the used source languages.
But this has in my eyes nothing to do with the research subject (mahāyāna buddhism), but rather with the specific climate of the universities. Japanese and continental european scholars usually pay much more attention to the philological base and are also less prone to philosophic speculation, which in my eyes is the way to go.
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Re: What is bhavangacitta?

Postby robertk » Thu May 18, 2017 12:12 pm

in the Patthana the 24 conditions are explained in detail, including those that condition succeeding dhammas .

so it is quite wrong to suggest that Abhidhamma has any problems in this regard .

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