the great vegetarian debate

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Re: Poll: Are you vegetarian/vegan?

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I'am vegan since 2011, eat one meal a day, and I fealling great ! :namaste:
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DAWN wrote:I'am vegan since 2011, eat one meal a day, and I fealling great ! :namaste:
Hi, Dawn. Would you mind explaining what you eat (in detail) every day for your one meal.
Thank you, I am very curious, because I am trying to move to one meal a day, vegan with a supplement of egg-whites or egg beaters. Then, if successful with that I will eliminate the egg products.

For example yesterday I had no breakfast or lunch and made noodles with mushrooms and, mushroom gravy, which is primarily a corn starch base.

This morning I made egg beaters with brown and wild rice, black beans, and spinach in garlic, salt, pepper,Hoisin, and olive oil sauce.

I am supplementing for vitamin B and D with a Centrum Multi-vitamin for men.
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Hi Ron, Dawn, all,

I don't think you need a supplement for vitamin B.
Good sources for B vitamins include kombucha, whole grains, potatoes, bananas, lentils, chili peppers, tempeh, beans, nutritional yeast, brewer's yeast, and molasses.
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And vitamin D can come from alfalfa, the sun, and mushrooms.

B12 is the only nutrient that a vegan cannot get easily. It can be obtained from the vegan sources of nutritional yeast or shitake mushrooms and I think from miso too and then of course from animal products (not vegan, but still vegetarian).

I am a "Paris-vegan" where I eat vegan at home and lacto-ovo at restaurants or when someone serves me at some social function. So I get plenty of B, D, B12 during those times and the amounts needed are small enough that I don't need any supplements.
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David N. Snyder wrote:So I get plenty of B, D, B12 during those times and the amounts needed are small enough that I don't need any supplements.
Dr Snyder,

please be aware that plant based vitamin D is D2, and less active in the body than the D3 you produce through sun exposure. the b12 in plant foods is called a 'false cobalamin'... it is a structural b12 analog, with little to no actual activity in the human body. b12 from nutritional yeast is usually added synthetic, like in a multivitamin, and should be fine. to make sure, it's wise that during our checkups, we have our doctors check for: serum vitamin D, B12, homocysteine & methylmalonic acid.

it would be wise for vegans, especially those eating one meal a day, to drink a glass of fortified soymilk a few times per week.
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David N. Snyder wrote:Hi Ron, Dawn, all,


B12 is the only nutrient that a vegan cannot get easily. It can be obtained from the vegan sources of nutritional yeast or shitake mushrooms and I think from miso too and then of course from animal products (not vegan, but still vegetarian).
What about Marmite or Vegimite.. hardly difficuilt really :)
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Re: Poll: Are you vegetarian/vegan?

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Ron-The-Elder wrote:
DAWN wrote:I'am vegan since 2011, eat one meal a day, and I fealling great ! :namaste:
Hi, Dawn. Would you mind explaining what you eat (in detail) every day for your one meal.
Thank you, I am very curious, because I am trying to move to one meal a day, vegan with a supplement of egg-whites or egg beaters. Then, if successful with that I will eliminate the egg products.

For example yesterday I had no breakfast or lunch and made noodles with mushrooms and, mushroom gravy, which is primarily a corn starch base.

This morning I made egg beaters with brown and wild rice, black beans, and spinach in garlic, salt, pepper,Hoisin, and olive oil sauce.

I am supplementing for vitamin B and D with a Centrum Multi-vitamin for men.
One meal a day because I will ordain, and so i prepare my body and mind to one meal a day standart, but also i think that human being population eat a lot, eating a lot its equal to destroi our planet a little bit more avery meal, also he dont need 3 meal to survive, there are 800 000 000 peoples who suffering beacause they dont have enought food to eat, i can eat 3 meal when i know that at this very moment childrens are diying because they dont eat anithing since several days of weeks, and why they dont have enought food? Because i love my car, because i want have one comfortable life... I'am not agree with that, so i eat vegan one meal a day, and i'am very happy. May be it's because i'am young, but my body is happy too, without any vitamines or any medicaments, i dont have any medicament in my house. Human being is an monkey, monkey lives on the trees, they eat fruit, and they dont have vitamines, so logicaly, if i will eat vegan without vitamines, my body will have all what he needs...
Anywere, if my body not agree, he have not a choise, he have to deal with :hug:

marc108:
Chocolate soymilk or vanilla soymilk is great !! :namaste:
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DAWN wrote: Chocolate soymilk or vanilla soymilk is great !! :namaste:
I prefer rice milk!
but currently eating my mothers leftovers.
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Cittasanto wrote:
DAWN wrote: Chocolate soymilk or vanilla soymilk is great !! :namaste:
I prefer rice milk!
but currently eating my mothers leftovers.
Indeed, i think that the reason of my preference to 'chocolate/vanillia soymilk' , is not 'soymilk', but 'chocolate/vanillia' :tongue: It's like a food name in thai restorants, whats determinate the name is not the principal ingredients, but sauce... ;)

I will try some chocolate ricemilk.. Thank you !
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marc108 wrote: it would be wise for vegans, especially those eating one meal a day, to drink a glass of fortified soymilk a few times per week.
Thanks for the info.
PeDr0 wrote: What about Marmite or Vegimite.. hardly difficuilt really :)
Those foods are not that common here in the U.S., but nutritional yeast, brewer's yeast, tofu, miso, and soy milk are easy to find.
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DAWN wrote:
Cittasanto wrote:
DAWN wrote: Chocolate soymilk or vanilla soymilk is great !! :namaste:
I prefer rice milk!
but currently eating my mothers leftovers.
Indeed, i think that the reason of my preference to 'chocolate/vanillia soymilk' , is not 'soymilk', but 'chocolate/vanillia' :tongue: It's like a food name in thai restorants, whats determinate the name is not the principal ingredients, but sauce... ;)

I will try some chocolate ricemilk.. Thank you !
:namaste:
try plain, it is nice enough on its own
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I am currently a Lacto Ovo vegetarian. Can give up eggs, no worries there. Have also almost stopped drinking milk or eating foods rich in milk (most Indian sweets). I love a bit of milk in my tea / coffee although, and India does not have many dairy substitutes (or atleast not that I have found in Mumbai). If one gives me a good dairy whitener that is vegan, I am more than happy to let go of milk too :)
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I'm on a strict vegetarian diet. I only eat vegetarians! :P
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As long as you do not kill them or cause them to be killed... But to do not cause such conjecture the Buddha told his disiples to abstain from that if they are humans. But it should be not probelm to eat given vegetarians beside humans.
Just that! *smile*
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Maarten wrote:I'm on a strict vegetarian diet. I only eat vegetarians! :P
Haha I had a good older friend who always said that if the apocalypse came, he would eat me first because I wasn't filled with all the hormones and additives you find in meat. So I guess you better be careful :)
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