the great vegetarian debate

[knitted]

I believe it is no longer simply an issue of preventing cruelty to animals. Resources are so scarce that our current habits will destroy us all. I find myself less and less willing to eat anything that we do not grow or cook ourselves, or comes from local ingredients. Mass production = mass extinction.

[Ron-The-Elder]

by knitted » Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:00 am

I believe it is no longer simply an issue of preventing cruelty to animals. Resources are so scarce that our current habits will destroy us all. I find myself less and less willing to eat anything that we do not grow or cook ourselves, or comes from local ingredients. Mass production = mass extinction.

Sounds good, but what do you do when you live in Alaska during the winter months? How about Tibet? Antarctica?

Get's tough to grow things yourself.

[knighter]

Hello there

If we were ment to be vegetarians,
why are animals made out of meat
Be happy
knighter

[nekete]

by knitted » Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:00 am

I believe it is no longer simply an issue of preventing cruelty to animals. Resources are so scarce that our current habits will destroy us all. I find myself less and less willing to eat anything that we do not grow or cook ourselves, or comes from local ingredients. Mass production = mass extinction.

Sounds good, but what do you do when you live in Alaska during the winter months? How about Tibet? Antarctica?

Get's tough to grow things yourself.

[Spiny Norman]

Sounds good, but what do you do when you live in Alaska during the winter months? How about Tibet? Antarctica?.

Haven't they got Tescos yet?

[cooran]

Hello all,

For the first time in years and years, I heard this song:

Cows with Guns
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5s5qGg01nE

Still brought a smile after all this time.

with metta,
Chris

[Mojo]

I've gone back and forth with vegetarianism since I was 18 or 19 and have been away from the practice for about a year now mostly as an issue of convenience that I rationalized into an issue of health. Anyways, I came across this photo a few days ago which got my gears turning and so I've decided to try treating vegetarianism as an ideal not an identity this go around but vow to not eat meat out of craving anymore.

[Buckwheat]

I would eat the pig. Sorry, but it's true.

[Spiny Norman]

I would eat the pig. Sorry, but it's true.

Me neither. I'd rather have the company.

[nekete]

I would eat the pig. Sorry, but it's true.

What's really true it's that you never will have to choose between die or eat a pig in a desert island. The true is that everyday most of the people choose to buy a killed pig in a supermarket full of non bloody food.

[Aloka]

I can't remember if I've posted in this thread before, but I've been a vegetarian since not long after thinking when I was a teenager that I didn't want to eat my friends . (i liked all animals that I saw or had any contact with, still do.)

So no, there's no way I'd eat the pig....or eat pork from a supermarket.

[mogg]

I believe it is no longer simply an issue of preventing cruelty to animals. Resources are so scarce that our current habits will destroy us all. I find myself less and less willing to eat anything that we do not grow or cook ourselves, or comes from local ingredients. Mass production = mass extinction.

Frankly I'm not really worried about mass extinction...its a certainty for all life on Earth regardless of what we do. Our concern shouldn't be trying to fix samsara (leave that to the Christians), our goal is to end suffering here and now.
Samsara is broken. It cannot be fixed.

I adhere to the precepts and eat meat occasionally. What goes into my mouth isn't my primary conern.

With metta

[corrine]

About that whole living in Alaska thing. A dear friend lived in Tok, Alaska for several years. She was vegetarian. She had a large greenhouse thing going and grew all sorts of veggies all year. In addition, and this was back in the sixties when it was more difficult, she ordered large amounts of wheat, grains, dried beans etc. for long term storage. She did okay. She also ordered cartons of books this way as she had no television or electronics as we do now. Today I imagine it would be quite easy. Just get the equipment and move forward.

There is always a way should one wish to avoid harming other living things. Ethical behavior is not always easy but it is usually doable should one wish to make the effort. I think sometimes we just look for excuses to do as we please.

corrine

[Zenainder]

Unfortunately in my current conditioned thought I am a savage, although I've become more interested in organic choices, including a reduction of red meats and more fish / chicken. I've considered easing into becoming vegetarian, but I am not there yet. I do often think of the animals that suffered at the stake for my nourishment. Maybe one day?

[person]

Has anyone read this:
http://a-bas-le-ciel.blogspot.com/2012/06/vegetarianism-and-theravada-orthodoxy.html by Eisel Mazard?
If so, what did they think? I found it somewhat unclear, but the author seems very knowledgeable, so I would like to understand what he is saying.