You are correct that this is not relevant toward what you are trying to establish....but I am not addressing that....what I am address is whether alan actually knows element well enough to be able to apparopriately make the statement that it is obvious that element has no sense of shame. Do you think that alan has enough knowledge of element as a person to be able to make that determination....I think he does not....but ultimately only alan can answer whether alan thinks he knows enough about element the person to make the claim..not you...not me..and not PeterB.
You are applying my post to your scenerio which is not where I intended it to apply....clearly it would not be illogical to apply elements human traits toward the end you are discussing....but I am not addressing the issue you raise I am raising an issue with alan as to whether he thinks he knows element well enough as a person to make the statement that it is obvious that element has not sense of shame....that is all......
With respect, what we do know about anyone's intentions and 'inner world', especially on the internet, is their behaviour. Someone's behaviour, especially if observed over a long period of time, is a pretty good window into their mind. Behaviour speaks a shipload more than mere words. This observation may have led Alan to ask the question. Whether Element experiences shame in the real world or on the internet - for me its academic and I think it belongs in the realm of mental health professionals, which I am not. I'm pretty sure Alan isn't a mental health professional either though I could be wrong. But given the serial trollish behaviour of Element, I think Alan's question is reasonable. Its not unreasonable to try and understand why some people engage in anti-social behaviour. As for Element - as a result of his behaviour he is persona non grata and will remain so.
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road
Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725Compassionate Hands Foundation
(Buddhist aid in Myanmar) • Buddhist Global Relief