tinhtan wrote:Well you missed the point, the pre-requisite condition before listening the Dhamma is to have "appropriate attention - yoniso manasikara" .
According to AN10.61 yoniso manasikara is well after listening to the Dhamma. Before one knows what things are appropriate to examine and has faith in the usefulness of such kind of examination, how can one examine appropriate (rather than inappropriate) things?
avijjāsuttaṃ AN 10.61 wrote:Thus bhikkhus, not associating Great beings leads to listening to the incorrect Teaching. Listening to the incorrect Teaching leads to lack of faith. Lack of faith leads to unwise attention. Unwise attention leads to lack of mindful awareness Lack of mindful awareness leads to unrestrained mental faculties. Unrestrained mental faculties lead to the three misbehaviours. The three misbehaviours lead to the five obstructions. The five obstructions lead to ignorance. Thus these are the supportive conditions for ignorance.
Associating Great beings leads to listening to the correct Teaching. Listening to the correct Teaching leads to faith. Faith leads to wise attention. Wise attention leads to mindful awareness Mindful awareness leads to restrained mental faculties. Restrained mental faculties lead to the three right behaviours. The three right behaviours lead to the four establishments of mindfulness. The four establishments of mindfulness lead to the seven enlightenment factors. The seven enlightenment factors lead to knowledge and release. Thus these are the supportive conditions for knowledge and release.
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Do you see step by step progression? Do you think it is possible to skip over some parts?
"like water from the big drops of rain, that fall on top of the mountains coming down to the lowlands fill up mountain creeks and streams. They in turn fill up the small rivers and the huge rivers and fill up the great ocean. And that water becomes the supportive condition for the ocean." - AN 10.61