Illusion and Emptiness

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Illusion and Emptiness

Postby ashtanga » Thu Dec 31, 2009 1:04 pm

Hi all,

Could someone explain to me if Theravada looks at the nature of reality in much the same way as the Tibetan schools do - ie Nargajuna and the Prasangikas. I see this as critical in the path to liberation - everything we experience is illusory and has no real substance, like a dream. Surely the realisation of this is fundamental to enlightenment. I dont see (in my limited experience) that Theravada has any analytical meditation process on Emptiness...or am I off the mark?

Thanks,

Tony...

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A Japanese man has been arrested on suspicion of writing a computer virus that destroys and replaces files on a victim PC with manga images of squid, octopuses and sea urchins. Masato Nakatsuji, 27, of Izumisano, Osaka Prefecture, was quoted as telling police: "I wanted to see how much my computer programming skills had improved since the last time I was arrested."

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A Japanese man has been arrested on suspicion of writing a computer virus that destroys and replaces files on a victim PC with manga images of squid, octopuses and sea urchins. Masato Nakatsuji, 27, of Izumisano, Osaka Prefecture, was quoted as telling police: "I wanted to see how much my computer programming skills had improved since the last time I was arrested."

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A Japanese man has been arrested on suspicion of writing a computer virus that destroys and replaces files on a victim PC with manga images of squid, octopuses and sea urchins. Masato Nakatsuji, 27, of Izumisano, Osaka Prefecture, was quoted as telling police: "I wanted to see how much my computer programming skills had improved since the last time I was arrested."

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Re: Illusion and Emptiness

Postby Ben » Sun Jan 03, 2010 3:19 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Illusion and Emptiness

Postby Paññāsikhara » Sun Jan 03, 2010 3:31 am

The Theravada position is a lot like the Sautrantikas, but not the Vaibhasika / Sarvastivadins.
This Theravada / Sautrantika position is in turn similar to, but not identical with, the basic Madhyamaka.
However, the Madhyamaka, especially if it is read through Mahayana sutras (which is almost always the case) has some other ideas, besides.

All are "illusory" (like illusion, mayopama), but they don't quite mean the same thing.
Likewise for "empty", too.
My recently moved Blog, containing some of my writings on the Buddha Dhamma, as well as a number of translations from classical Buddhist texts and modern authors, liturgy, etc.: .

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Re: Illusion and Emptiness

Postby 5heaps » Sun Jan 03, 2010 3:17 pm

A Japanese man has been arrested on suspicion of writing a computer virus that destroys and replaces files on a victim PC with manga images of squid, octopuses and sea urchins. Masato Nakatsuji, 27, of Izumisano, Osaka Prefecture, was quoted as telling police: "I wanted to see how much my computer programming skills had improved since the last time I was arrested."

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Re: Illusion and Emptiness

Postby ashtanga » Mon Jan 04, 2010 12:44 pm

Hi all,

Not sure how Nargajuna could be seen as nilhistic(?) As there is nothing that exists inherently, independently without relying upon anything else (ad nauseum) then our experiences of inherent existence (which is how we experience all phenomena) must be illusory.

This isn't nilhistic, its just true... ;)

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A Japanese man has been arrested on suspicion of writing a computer virus that destroys and replaces files on a victim PC with manga images of squid, octopuses and sea urchins. Masato Nakatsuji, 27, of Izumisano, Osaka Prefecture, was quoted as telling police: "I wanted to see how much my computer programming skills had improved since the last time I was arrested."

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A Japanese man has been arrested on suspicion of writing a computer virus that destroys and replaces files on a victim PC with manga images of squid, octopuses and sea urchins. Masato Nakatsuji, 27, of Izumisano, Osaka Prefecture, was quoted as telling police: "I wanted to see how much my computer programming skills had improved since the last time I was arrested."

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A Japanese man has been arrested on suspicion of writing a computer virus that destroys and replaces files on a victim PC with manga images of squid, octopuses and sea urchins. Masato Nakatsuji, 27, of Izumisano, Osaka Prefecture, was quoted as telling police: "I wanted to see how much my computer programming skills had improved since the last time I was arrested."

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Re: Illusion and Emptiness

Postby Prasadachitta » Mon Jan 04, 2010 4:55 pm

"Beautifully taught is the Lord's Dhamma, immediately apparent, timeless, of the nature of a personal invitation, progressive, to be attained by the wise, each for himself." Anguttara Nikaya V.332

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A Japanese man has been arrested on suspicion of writing a computer virus that destroys and replaces files on a victim PC with manga images of squid, octopuses and sea urchins. Masato Nakatsuji, 27, of Izumisano, Osaka Prefecture, was quoted as telling police: "I wanted to see how much my computer programming skills had improved since the last time I was arrested."

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"Beautifully taught is the Lord's Dhamma, immediately apparent, timeless, of the nature of a personal invitation, progressive, to be attained by the wise, each for himself." Anguttara Nikaya V.332

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