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Soul theories and the Dhamma

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Soul theories and the Dhamma

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Sep 06, 2016 9:56 pm

Greetings,

In the Buddha's time, wanderers of other sects struggled to understand how the Buddha-dhamma operated without reference to a soul/atman.

This topic serves as a place to explore such ancient encounters and their modern equivalents.

Please note also that any posts made elsewhere relating to soul theories may be moved into this topic at moderators' discretion.

Let's kick off with , the very first sutta in the Pali Canon... presumably put there because such soul-theories needed to be cleared away before anyone was ready to encounter and understand the Buddha's teaching.

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Re: Soul theories and the Dhamma

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Perhaps these...

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Re: Soul theories and the Dhamma

Postby Coëmgenu » Wed Sep 07, 2016 1:18 am

The problem with this pseudo-Vedanta "this is the original Buddhism" reconstructionist conspiracy theory, that the sangha doctored Buddha's words to create an allegedly nihilistic religion, is a critical problem of hermeneutic on the parts of the reconstructionists.

They read the same suttas, but are unwilling to apply a non-materialist hermeneutic, similarly, they are unwilling to apply a hermeneutic that is not traceable to Classical Protestant anti-Catholic polemics that arose in the context of Catholic-Protestant sectarian warfare in Europe, that then spread and became formative of the Protestant hegemony in the New World.

This is an example of would-be converts bringing their cultural baggage in and refusing to drop it off with the coat-check boy.

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Re: Soul theories and the Dhamma

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Re: Soul theories and the Dhamma

Postby davidbrainerd » Wed Sep 07, 2016 7:46 am

oops quoted myself rather than edit....

Well sonce I have a post stuck here, might as well put this here: I find it interesting how denial of karma and rebirth is coddled but interpreting Dh 323 or any other such passage correctly as saying somone goes to Nibbana is viewed as if I were saying murder is ok (whereas the ppl basically saying murder is ok get a pass)...if that's not nihilism, I don't know what is.

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