Ahh so you subscribe to the "existence in a buddha-field / realm" option David.David N. Snyder wrote:
Yes, that would be ideal, but since they are "in" parinibbana, we can't ask them.
In your view, understanding, Parinibbana is:
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maybe the one with least votes is the truth... since we r talking about a path of letting-go ... hohoho <-- joking.. not false-speechSpiny Norman wrote:That's a relief.David N. Snyder wrote: The victor in this poll doesn't determine the absolute truth and was not meant to do that.
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"Parinibbana" is no term of English language. So either there is a definition for "parinibbana" or there is none. In both cases the poll is not reasonable because if there is no definition then the select list is an inappropriate restriction of individual fantasy and if there is a definition why ask for individual views at all?
Inspiration is based on the exchange of different linguistic expressions. But inspiration is best knowing how language relates to truth.
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What would Buddha vote if he was here now.subaru wrote:maybe the one with least votes is the truth... since we r talking about a path of letting-go ... hohoho <-- joking.. not false-speechSpiny Norman wrote:That's a relief.David N. Snyder wrote: The victor in this poll doesn't determine the absolute truth and was not meant to do that.
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”
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I put down number 2, although I have to make the proviso that I disagree with the term 'non-existence as we know it'. I think that non-existence is something that needs to also be set aside. The Kotthita Sutta has something quite interesting to say on this topic:
Then Ven. Maha Kotthita went to Ven. Sariputta and, on arrival, exchanged courteous greetings with him. After an exchange of friendly greetings & courtesies, he sat to one side. As he was sitting there, he said to Ven. Sariputta, "With the remainderless stopping & fading of the six contact-media [vision, hearing, smell, taste, touch, & intellection] is it the case that there is anything else?"
[Sariputta:] "Don't say that, my friend."
[Maha Kotthita:] "With the remainderless stopping & fading of the six contact-media, is it the case that there is not anything else?"
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[Sariputta:] "The statement, 'With the remainderless stopping & fading of the six contact-media [vision, hearing, smell, taste, touch, & intellection] is it the case that there is anything else?' objectifies non-objectification.[1] The statement, '... is it the case that there is not anything else ... [objectifies non-objectification.]...However far the six contact-media go, that is how far objectification goes. However far objectification goes, that is how far the six contact media go. With the remainderless fading & stopping of the six contact-media, there comes to be the stopping, the allaying of objectification.
The non-doing of any evil,
The performance of what's skillful,
The cleansing of one's own mind:
This is the Buddhas' teaching.
The performance of what's skillful,
The cleansing of one's own mind:
This is the Buddhas' teaching.
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Did you read the thread? There is a list of definitions on page 1 of this thread. There are lots of threads and polls here on DW; if you don't like any of them, then don't participate. Not every discussion is everyone's cup of tea.Herbie wrote:"Parinibbana" is no term of English language. So either there is a definition for "parinibbana" or there is none. In both cases the poll is not reasonable because if there is no definition then the select list is an inappropriate restriction of individual fantasy and if there is a definition why ask for individual views at all?
As I mentioned previously, the victor in this poll does not determine the absolute truth. It just shows where some Buddhists are on this issue, not much different than a poll on any other issue; it just shows views.
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Mr Man wrote:Ahh so you subscribe to the "existence in a buddha-field / realm" option David.David N. Snyder wrote:
Yes, that would be ideal, but since they are "in" parinibbana, we can't ask them.
When I was in India, I met some Theravada Buddhist nuns who showed us around their temple. They mentioned that they hope to attain Nibbana soon so that they can meet the Buddha.
Lots of wide varying views in Buddhism on this subject.
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I don't like being in fashion anyway.subaru wrote:maybe the one with least votes is the truth... since we r talking about a path of letting-go ... hohoho <-- joking.. not false-speechSpiny Norman wrote:That's a relief.
Buddha save me from new-agers!
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I still haven't voted for this due to following reasons.
a) If you vote it become a view, it is an attempt to objectify the non-objectified
b) If I voted, I indirectly indicating that I am an Arahant.
c) If I am not Arahant, there is no point of assuming about it. It becomes a hindarance
d) Sutta always indicate the qualities of Nibbana not what Nibbana is.
So it is best to limit our understanding to the description of the Sutta.
This however is not the criticism of the people who vote.
This is just another view point.
a) If you vote it become a view, it is an attempt to objectify the non-objectified
b) If I voted, I indirectly indicating that I am an Arahant.
c) If I am not Arahant, there is no point of assuming about it. It becomes a hindarance
d) Sutta always indicate the qualities of Nibbana not what Nibbana is.
So it is best to limit our understanding to the description of the Sutta.
This however is not the criticism of the people who vote.
This is just another view point.
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”
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The suttas are subject to interpretation though.SarathW wrote: So it is best to limit our understanding to the description of the Sutta.
Buddha save me from new-agers!
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That's a big problem. And we are subject to sticking to our own interpretations only. That's a bigger problem.Spiny Norman wrote:The suttas are subject to interpretation though.SarathW wrote: So it is best to limit our understanding to the description of the Sutta.
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I think it more an issue of being patient, waiting till we have attained the ability to unbind and release, so that our understanding will be experiential rather than intellectual or simply a matter of belief. Beliefs have led mankind down some very dark and foolish paths. My favorite belief is from Popeye's perspective where he believed that Whimpy would would repay him next tuesday for a hamburger today?....or something to that effect:
What Makes an Elder? :
A head of gray hairs doesn't mean one's an elder. Advanced in years, one's called an old fool.
But one in whom there is truth, restraint, rectitude, gentleness,self-control, he's called an elder, his impurities disgorged, enlightened.
-Dhammpada, 19, translated by Thanissaro Bhikkhu.
A head of gray hairs doesn't mean one's an elder. Advanced in years, one's called an old fool.
But one in whom there is truth, restraint, rectitude, gentleness,self-control, he's called an elder, his impurities disgorged, enlightened.
-Dhammpada, 19, translated by Thanissaro Bhikkhu.
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In m view Parinibbana is a buddhist idea.
Inspiration is based on the exchange of different linguistic expressions. But inspiration is best knowing how language relates to truth.
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Agree.Herbie wrote:In m view Parinibbana is a buddhist idea.
Asking what is Parinibbana is something like asking what is New York.
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”
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Wouldn't the Buddha as per the Aggi-Vacchagotta Sutta pretty much vote for the last option and remain in epistemic epoche, that is, until actual awakening leads one to see the truth for oneself? This is how I've always seen it anyways.
Voted for the last option, for the record.
Voted for the last option, for the record.
Vayadhammā saṅkhārā appamādena sampādethā — All things decay and disappoint, it is through vigilance that you succeed — Mahāparinibbāna Sutta
Self-taught poverty is a help toward philosophy, for the things which philosophy attempts to teach by reasoning, poverty forces us to practice. — Diogenes of Sinope
I have seen all things that are done under the sun, and behold, all is vanity and a chase after wind — Ecclesiastes 1.14
Self-taught poverty is a help toward philosophy, for the things which philosophy attempts to teach by reasoning, poverty forces us to practice. — Diogenes of Sinope
I have seen all things that are done under the sun, and behold, all is vanity and a chase after wind — Ecclesiastes 1.14