How does this relate to the poll options in the OP?thepea wrote:One with God.
In your view, understanding, Parinibbana is:
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- "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting oneself one protects others? By the pursuit, development, and cultivation of the four establishments of mindfulness. It is in such a way that by protecting oneself one protects others.
"And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting others one protects oneself? By patience, harmlessness, goodwill, and sympathy. It is in such a way that by protecting others one protects oneself.
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Its closest to #7 with a bit of atheism.daverupa wrote:How does this relate to the poll options in the OP?thepea wrote:One with God.
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Being "One with God" is a combination of 'don't know or agnostic about it, set-aside for now' and a bit of atheism?thepea wrote:Its closest to #7 with a bit of atheism.daverupa wrote:How does this relate to the poll options in the OP?thepea wrote:One with God.
That makes no sense. None at all. Please explain this, if you can. (Remain focused on parinibbana, please, and try not to write a whole essay.)
- "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting oneself one protects others? By the pursuit, development, and cultivation of the four establishments of mindfulness. It is in such a way that by protecting oneself one protects others.
"And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting others one protects oneself? By patience, harmlessness, goodwill, and sympathy. It is in such a way that by protecting others one protects oneself.
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I still don't understand the practical difference between the first two options on the poll.
Buddha save me from new-agers!
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The first is a materialism; everyone dies the same, with the same result: annihilation of the person, their ending and utter cessation.Spiny Norman wrote:I still don't understand the practical difference between the first two options on the poll.
The second is a parinibbana that comes after practice, not automatically.
The metaphysical difference may be similar, but this is why the Buddha was often confused for an annihilationist, back in the day.
- "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting oneself one protects others? By the pursuit, development, and cultivation of the four establishments of mindfulness. It is in such a way that by protecting oneself one protects others.
"And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting others one protects oneself? By patience, harmlessness, goodwill, and sympathy. It is in such a way that by protecting others one protects oneself.
- Sedaka Sutta [SN 47.19]
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Holding to no belief in the existence of God(nibanna) God is unknowable one can only be God.daverupa wrote:
Being "One with God" is a combination of 'don't know or agnostic about it, set-aside for now' and a bit of atheism?
That makes no sense. None at all. Please explain this, if you can. (Remain focused on parinibbana, please, and try not to write a whole essay.)
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Gibberish; nowhere in the poll, and nowhere in the denotation of the term 'nibbana', nor of 'parinibbana', the OP here.thepea wrote:Holding to no belief in the existence of God(nibanna) God is unknowable one can only be God.
Please stop contributing off-topic, inaccurate prate.
- "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting oneself one protects others? By the pursuit, development, and cultivation of the four establishments of mindfulness. It is in such a way that by protecting oneself one protects others.
"And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting others one protects oneself? By patience, harmlessness, goodwill, and sympathy. It is in such a way that by protecting others one protects oneself.
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Correct, that is what I meant; thanks for pointing that out / clarifying that.daverupa wrote:The first is a materialism; everyone dies the same, with the same result: annihilation of the person, their ending and utter cessation.Spiny Norman wrote:I still don't understand the practical difference between the first two options on the poll.
The second is a parinibbana that comes after practice, not automatically.
The metaphysical difference may be similar, but this is why the Buddha was often confused for an annihilationist, back in the day.
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Re: In your view, understanding, Parinibbana is:
No, being "one with God" sounds more like pantheism; not number 7 at all.thepea wrote:Its closest to #7 with a bit of atheism.daverupa wrote:How does this relate to the poll options in the OP?thepea wrote:One with God.
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Hello David,David N. Snyder wrote:
No, being "one with God" sounds more like pantheism; not number 7 at all.
Pantheism.
1.a doctrine that identifies God with the universe, or regards the universe as a manifestation of God.
2. rare
worship that admits or tolerates all gods.
The use of "identifying" God leads me to belive this is not a good fit. I think #7 is closer (the way I described it) to my view than pantheism.
Identify seems to objectify God.
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I guess from a buddhist perspective I would count as a nihilist. But from a non-buddhist philosophical perspective I do not qualify as nihilist. Anyway i have chosen
"not applicable, there is no rebirth, it is annihilation for all"
"not applicable, there is no rebirth, it is annihilation for all"
Inspiration is based on the exchange of different linguistic expressions. But inspiration is best knowing how language relates to truth.
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Reading through the Suttas, I came across something that I think captures my view on the subject quite succinctly.
I'm just mentioning this to put down my opinion, not to really argue for anything though.
So far as I can see, the meaning of this is that saying that Nibbana is something or saying that it is nothing are both wrong because Nibbana is totally beyond our concepts, and so it cannot be characterized either way. I actually put down both #2 and #6 for the poll because they are the closest to this, but they both fall on opposite sides of it so I couldn't pick between the two.AN 4.174
Then the Venerable Mahākoṭṭhita approached the Venerable Sāriputta and exchanged greetings with
him. When they had concluded their greetings and cordial talk, he sat down to one side and asked the
Venerable Sāriputta:
(1) “Friend, with the remainderless fading away and cessation of the six bases for contact, is there
anything else?” 879
“Do not say so, friend.”
(2) “With the remainderless fading away and cessation of the six bases for contact, is there nothing
else?”
“Do not say so, friend.”
(3) “With the remainderless fading away and cessation of the six bases for contact, is there both
something else and nothing else?”
“Do not say so, friend.”
(4) “With the remainderless fading away and cessation of the six bases for contact, is there neither
something else nor nothing else?”
“Do not say so, friend.” 880
“Friend, when you are asked: ‘With the remainderless fading away and cessation of the six bases for
contact, is there something else?’ you say: ‘Do not say so, friend.’ And when you are asked: ‘With the
remainderless fading away and cessation of the six bases for contact, is there nothing else? … Is there
both something else and nothing else? … Is there neither something else nor nothing else?’ [in each case]
you say: ‘Do not say so, friend.’ In what way should the meaning of this statement be understood?”
(1) “Friend, if one says: ‘With the remainderless fading away and cessation of the six bases for contact,
there is something else,’ one proliferates that which is not to be proliferated. 881 (2) If one says: ‘Friend,
with the remainderless fading away and cessation of the six bases for contact, there is nothing else,’ one
proliferates that which is not to be proliferated. (3) If one says: ‘Friend, with the remainderless fading
away and cessation of the six bases for contact, there is both something else and nothing else,’ one
proliferates that which is not to be proliferated. (4) If one says: ‘Friend, with the remainderless fadingaway and cessation of the six bases for contact, there is neither something else nor nothing else,’ one
proliferates that which is not to be proliferated.
“Friend, as far as the range of the six bases for contact extends, just so far extends the range of
proliferation. 882 As far as the range of proliferation extends, [162] just so far extends the range of the six
bases for contact. With the remainderless fading away and cessation of the six bases for contact there is
the cessation of proliferation, the subsiding of proliferation.”
I'm just mentioning this to put down my opinion, not to really argue for anything though.
The non-doing of any evil,
The performance of what's skillful,
The cleansing of one's own mind:
This is the Buddhas' teaching.
The performance of what's skillful,
The cleansing of one's own mind:
This is the Buddhas' teaching.
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Parinibbana, aka:" nibbana without remainder" is a complete and remainderless cessation of the 5 aggregates without anything remaining.
The reason it is beyond concepts is because there isn't anything there that could be a basis for concepts.
The reason it is beyond concepts is because there isn't anything there that could be a basis for concepts.
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Hi Alex
My understanding is you cant cease the five aggregate.
Cessation of perception and feeling is considered the Parinibbana.
I may be wrong.
My understanding is you cant cease the five aggregate.
Cessation of perception and feeling is considered the Parinibbana.
I may be wrong.
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”
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So, do you believe in some sort of eternal existence of 5 aggregates?SarathW wrote:Hi Alex
My understanding is you cant cease the five aggregate.