What were they thinking?

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What were they thinking?

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Hello all,


What were they thinking? by Rita M. Gross
A Buddhist-feminist scholar responds to an all-male panel on the "risks and benefits" of opening Buddhist leadership to women
http://www.tricycle.com/blog/what-were-they-thinking

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Good for her. I remember thinking myself that the whole thing, at best, seemed like an exercise in irrelevance.
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m0rl0ck wrote:Good for her. I remember thinking myself that the whole thing, at best, seemed like an exercise in irrelevance.
Absolutely.

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:popcorn:

Rita, We invited a number of women to contribute to the symposium, but they either didn't respond or declined to participate.
You were among those we invited to contribute. You didn't respond to the invitation.
In light of that fact, I'm quite puzzled that you're accusing us of "unbelievable levels of ignorance and arrogance."
We would love to add a contribution from you if you're willing.
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plwk wrote::popcorn:

Rita, We invited a number of women to contribute to the symposium, but they either didn't respond or declined to participate.
You were among those we invited to contribute. You didn't respond to the invitation.
In light of that fact, I'm quite puzzled that you're accusing us of "unbelievable levels of ignorance and arrogance."
We would love to add a contribution from you if you're willing.
You know if i had gotten that letter, and were female, idk if i would first wonder if it had gotten stuck in a time warp or if i were a canary invited to a conference of cats. :)
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plwk wrote::popcorn:

Rita, We invited a number of women to contribute to the symposium, but they either didn't respond or declined to participate.
You were among those we invited to contribute. You didn't respond to the invitation.
In light of that fact, I'm quite puzzled that you're accusing us of "unbelievable levels of ignorance and arrogance."
We would love to add a contribution from you if you're willing.
Hello plwk,

Could you give a link to where this quote is from? - or specify, if there is no link.

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Chris, from the very link you gave us in the OP, comments section
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Thanks :tongue:
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:popcorn:

Rita, We invited a number of women to contribute to the symposium, but they either didn't respond or declined to participate.
You were among those we invited to contribute. You didn't respond to the invitation.
In light of that fact, I'm quite puzzled that you're accusing us of "unbelievable levels of ignorance and arrogance."
We would love to add a contribution from you if you're willing.
You know if i had gotten that letter, and were female, idk if i would first wonder if it had gotten stuck in a time warp or if i were a canary invited to a conference of cats. :)
Now imagine this sensei.. the late Baroness Thatcher when she was in her heyday having to deal with a Cabinet of sausage fest or Hillary Clinton & her colourful & power packed career with daunting men ... conference of cats?
They made them purr and sit like kitties... my own late maternal granny took no slack from the men in her life...
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I'm trying to understand just exactly what happened. From what I gather there is a website called Patheos which made a call for papers on the topic of women in leadership roles in Buddhism with the intent of publishing them. It seems that there was no actual physical meeting with panelists meeting and discussing things face to face, just a bunch of papers published. It also appears that Patheos invited both men and women to contribute papers but no women submitted papers. Is this what happened? I went to the Patheos website but found it too cluttered for me to be able to find out in the limited time I have for this topic.....has anyone else looked there and found out if what I am assuming happened did or did not in fact happen the way I am imagining?
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plwk wrote::popcorn:

Rita, We invited a number of women to contribute to the symposium, but they either didn't respond or declined to participate.
You were among those we invited to contribute. You didn't respond to the invitation.
In light of that fact, I'm quite puzzled that you're accusing us of "unbelievable levels of ignorance and arrogance."
We would love to add a contribution from you if you're willing.
Unbelievably and stupidly tone-deaf. Hold off until you get qualified women participants.
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plwk wrote:Hillary Clinton & her colourful & power packed career
Colorful indeed...

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chownah wrote:I'm trying to understand just exactly what happened. From what I gather there is a website called Patheos which made a call for papers on the topic of women in leadership roles in Buddhism with the intent of publishing them. It seems that there was no actual physical meeting with panelists meeting and discussing things face to face, just a bunch of papers published. It also appears that Patheos invited both men and women to contribute papers but no women submitted papers. Is this what happened? I went to the Patheos website but found it too cluttered for me to be able to find out in the limited time I have for this topic.....has anyone else looked there and found out if what I am assuming happened did or did not in fact happen the way I am imagining?
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Maybe buddhasoup could help??? I see he was the first commentor.
If you post the links you used I'll try to find something but I am on my phone and find it tricky to use the internet.
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Cittasanto wrote:Maybe buddhasoup could help??? I see he was the first commentor.
If you post the links you used I'll try to find something but I am on my phone and find it tricky to use the internet.
www.patheos.com/
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Well I have to say the I find the whole notion of "leadership opportunities" odd in relation to Buddhism. What kind of leadership opportunities are we talking about?
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