Is rejecting food after noon sometimes wrong?

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Re: Is rejecting food after noon sometimes wrong?

Postby Goofaholix » Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:36 pm

This precept is practised as part of a set of either 8, 10, or 227 in a monastic context only.

I don't see the point in trying to do it outside of that.

If you are living alone and don't socialise/work much then i guess it would be achievable, but doing what you're doing is only going to give your family the impression that you're rude and/or have gone off the religious deep end.
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Re: Is rejecting food after noon sometimes wrong?

Postby Digity » Mon Jan 13, 2014 5:23 am

Jump to 42:40 in the following video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PR0w_6F8xDs

Ajahn Brahm talks about refusing to eat his girlfriend's food and regretting it.
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Re: Is rejecting food after noon sometimes wrong?

Postby kmath » Mon Jan 13, 2014 5:44 am

Many have suggested the OP just explain his decision not to eat to his family. But I haven't heard the explanation myself. To the OP, why are you keeping the 6th precept? That precept for monks was made so as not to inconvenience the laity. That is, instead of going for all alms three times a day, it's easier for the laity if the monks just go once. So to me, I just don't see the rational for it as a lay person, especially when you are upsetting people by it.

Also a personal anecdote: I had been living at a Western Forest Monastery for three months keeping the 8 precepts and went home to visit family, with the intention to come back and ordain. I asked the abbott if he had any advice for me going home. He said keep the 5 precepts, not the 8! He said refusing food just creates unnecessary problems and in my opinion he's right.

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Re: Is rejecting food after noon sometimes wrong?

Postby EmptyCittas1by1 » Sat Jan 25, 2014 11:25 pm

kmath wrote:Many have suggested the OP just explain his decision not to eat to his family. But I haven't heard the explanation myself. To the OP, why are you keeping the 6th precept? That precept for monks was made so as not to inconvenience the laity. That is, instead of going for all alms three times a day, it's easier for the laity if the monks just go once. So to me, I just don't see the rational for it as a lay person, especially when you are upsetting people by it.

Also a personal anecdote: I had been living at a Western Forest Monastery for three months keeping the 8 precepts and went home to visit family, with the intention to come back and ordain. I asked the abbott if he had any advice for me going home. He said keep the 5 precepts, not the 8! He said refusing food just creates unnecessary problems and in my opinion he's right.

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I'm following the 8 because (after creating this thread and starting "normal" eating) I found that it was easier to be mindful since I was less likely to develop cravings for food wrongly. I'm going to follow the 8, but I'm going to eat food whenever dinner is cooked or whenever I exercise. If no dinner is cooked, then no food. I haven't seen any problems from that so far :D
"Eat little! Sleep little! Speak little! Whatever it may be of worldly habit, lessen them, go against their power. Don't just do as you like, don't indulge in your thought. Stop this slavish following. You must constantly go against the stream of ignorance. This is called "Discipline." When you discipline your heart, it becomes very dissatisfied and begins to struggle. It becomes restricted and oppressed. When the heart is prevented from doing what it wants to do, it starts wandering and struggling. Suffering becomes apparent to us."

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Re: Is rejecting food after noon sometimes wrong?

Postby Goofaholix » Sun Jan 26, 2014 2:10 am

EmptyCittas1by1 wrote:I'm following the 8 because (after creating this thread and starting "normal" eating) I found that it was easier to be mindful since I was less likely to develop cravings for food wrongly. I'm going to follow the 8, but I'm going to eat food whenever dinner is cooked or whenever I exercise. If no dinner is cooked, then no food. I haven't seen any problems from that so far :D


Good plan.
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