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Faith-based against evidence-based

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Re: Faith-based against evidence-based

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"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Postby lyndon taylor » Sun Oct 06, 2013 1:10 am

I wonder if the zen master would say the same thing about sampling cyanide, or LSD, or any other number of poisinous and ruinous drugs.

"This drink has the potential to addict you and completely ruin your life as well as kill you, I suggest you try it to see if you're one of the ones that will become addicted!!"
18 years ago I made one of the most important decisions of my life and entered a local Cambodian Buddhist Temple as a temple boy and, for only 3 weeks, an actual Therevada Buddhist monk. I am not a scholar, great meditator, or authority on Buddhism, but Buddhism is something I love from the Bottom of my heart. It has taught me sobriety, morality, peace, and very importantly that my suffering is optional, and doesn't have to run my life. I hope to give back what little I can to the Buddhist community, sincerely former monk John

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"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Postby lyndon taylor » Sun Oct 06, 2013 11:23 am

Also useless to dream about enlightenment if we're not ready to take the many steps to get there..........
18 years ago I made one of the most important decisions of my life and entered a local Cambodian Buddhist Temple as a temple boy and, for only 3 weeks, an actual Therevada Buddhist monk. I am not a scholar, great meditator, or authority on Buddhism, but Buddhism is something I love from the Bottom of my heart. It has taught me sobriety, morality, peace, and very importantly that my suffering is optional, and doesn't have to run my life. I hope to give back what little I can to the Buddhist community, sincerely former monk John

http://trickleupeconomictheory.blogspot.com/

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Postby Dan74 » Sun Oct 06, 2013 1:53 pm

Matteo, I doubt that this will satisfy you, but if you look around, listen to reputable teachers, read the suttas and the sutras, ask in Centres and Temples, it is easy to perceive a common thread, a core. This is why many great teachers don't worry about the divisions and labels you've mentioned and indeed hold close friendships and praise masters outside Buddhism, because there too much wisdom and compassion are to be found.

In any case, I really wonder if you were serious about taking a close look at your life, you couldn't find something useful you could do without worrying about these details. An attachment, greed, anger, hatred even, that are worth examining. A mind that knows no peace that is worth attending to. A real human need that is worth addressing with your whole heart.

We could run around endlessly trying to work out all the details, but rather than that, it is important to get started. A starving man should eat, rather than research the pros and cons of all the various cuisines!
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Postby daverupa » Sun Oct 06, 2013 2:27 pm

I wonder, Matteo: setting aside knowledge in terms of intellectual knowledge and so forth, do you think you are able to look at the way you experience living, in a basic way, and describe it? I mean, suppose there was another description of someone's basic experience, do you think you could compare your own experience to it and agree with a set of common terms, and at least call that a certain sort of working knowledge?

Let me explain. I'm going to describe a fact about the way I, personally, experience living. At any conscious moment, there is one or more of the following going on: seeing, hearing, tasting, smelling, proprioception, epidermal sensations, subdermal tactile sensations, & a wide range of mental events.

Now, I know this. Are you able to reflect, and compare your experience to this, and if so do you think we could refine it into a shape that we'd both agree on?

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