PsychedelicSunSet wrote:By the logic you've been using in this thread, it seems like what you say is learning is also just a story. I feel as though if someone else were to say something along those lines, you would simply ask how you know those particular things lead to his enlightenment, and how you know he's actually enlightened.
Not to his particular enlightenment, but to the enlightenment.
after all, enlightenment is all what Buddhism is about.
No enlightnenment = no Buddha.
So, at first, we must ascertain taht there is an Enlightenment and that Buddha teachings can bring there.
If this is not the case, all the Tipitaka and all the teachings are not worth anything.
Dont you agree?
PsychedelicSunSet wrote:From what I can gather about how you perceive things to be true and not true, the only way you'll believe something is through direct experience. Which if correct (which I'm assuming you'll say I'm not) leads me to ask, why are you asking us all these questions? If you only believe what you experience, it seems useless to ask about such topics as you won't know for sure if what people say is in fact the truth, and that your time would be better spent doing an internal investigation instead of an external investigation.
The reason is quite simple
There are hundreds of religions and thousands of teachers.
In one lifetime you have no time to check them all.
So, at the end, you need to try and check the religions that at least promise to lead you somewhere.
If they do not even promise you to lead you anywhere, I can easily stick to Zen where at least satori is attainable, or so they say.
I have heard quite a lot of people claiming that they have achieved satori.
So I am curious to know if there is the same with Theravada, some evidence that it actually leads to absence of suffering.
So far, I got no positive answer, but still looking for.
I will try to check directly to Thai, but if all the answer I can get is.. sit here for 30 years because some old book written by someone told that you may get a favorable birth, well.. I would then go back to Zen
However, there was someone who said very interesting things:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qu7mtlbVBOA
Please hear from minute 3:35
I hope you find ease and peace in your journey.