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Understanding vitakka

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Understanding vitakka

Postby barcsimalsi » Thu Sep 19, 2013 11:05 am

What vitakka actually means?
Initial thought, Application of thought, mental factor...
Different label of words gave different impression towards its meaning, looking forward to understand more about it.

Secondary inquiries:
What gave rise to vitakka?
Can vitakka arise without the mind coming into contact with external objects or mental objects?

Appreciate any help, thanks!

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Re: Understanding vitakka

Postby Samma » Thu Sep 19, 2013 11:02 pm

Vitakka as directed thought. They mind gives rise to thought right? Quoting Analayo bellow, "thought process lies in the way perception evaluates experience".

No contact with external objects or mental objects would be what, Neither perception nor non-perception? Traditionally vitakka is said to cease with 2nd jhana, you don't need to keep directing though to the breath or other object.

Analayo encyclopedia entry:
http://www.buddhismuskunde.uni-hamburg. ... itakka.pdf

Sujato article some food for thought:
http://sujato.wordpress.com/2012/12/06/ ... -in-jhana/

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Re: Understanding vitakka

Postby dhamma follower » Fri Sep 20, 2013 3:00 am


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Re: Understanding vitakka

Postby SarathW » Fri Sep 20, 2013 3:13 am

Please read page 111 and 110 of the following link:

http://www.basicbuddhism.stockflick.com ... Narada.pdf
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Re: Understanding vitakka

Postby barcsimalsi » Fri Sep 20, 2013 3:54 am

Thanks everyone, those links are very helpful. Still need more time to read them... :reading: :coffee:

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Re: Understanding vitakka

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Re: Understanding vitakka

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Sep 24, 2013 4:09 am

Greetings barcsimalsi,

You may find this topic of interest...

Vitakka and Vicara in Jhana practice
viewtopic.php?f=17&t=10355

Metta,
Retro. :)
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