Improving Buddhism/The Imperfect Buddha

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Re: Improving Buddhism/The Imperfect Buddha

Postby santa100 » Tue Sep 24, 2013 1:36 pm

Bhikkhu Pesala wrote:
What I think is of no consequence for you — it depends on what you think, say, and do that will decide whether or not you wind up in hell.

My duty is just to teach what the Buddha taught, as far as I understand it, according to reliable sources


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And I think bhante's point clearly addressed danielLion's inquiry:
danielLion wrote:If other Buddhists believed this we'd have no Abhidhamma, commentarial tradition, Visuddhimagga, etc.... We certainly wouldn't have Dhammawheel. We'd have doctrinal solidarity.


The Buddha and the Dhamma are not the problem. We are the problem. And so the purpose of the Abhidhamma, Vm,..and Dhammawheel forum are not there to expose the problem of the Dhamma. They are there as medium for practitioners to share their knowledge and experience to other practitioners. Sure, there're arguments and debates but I hope they're not there just for the sake of argument but to address any error or mistake we still need to improve upon..
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Re: Improving Buddhism/The Imperfect Buddha

Postby SDC » Wed Sep 25, 2013 2:11 am

danieLion wrote:Hi SDC,
SDC wrote:...you can't talk about it experientially but it [nibbana] can be discussed intellectually.

Which goes to Right View. I submit: intellectualizing vs. experiencing is a false dichotomy; theory and practice is a dialectic; Right View is an intellect/theory and experience/practice dialectic.
Kindly,
dL


Without a doubt. I was just stressing that at the present time I can offer no experiential information regarding nibbana. So any discussion would be intellectual in nature.
Through many of samsara’s births I hasten seeking, finding not the builder of this house - pain is birth again, again. O builder of this house you’re seen, you shall not build a house again, all your beams have given away, rafters of the ridge decayed, mind to the unconditioned gone, exhaustion of craving has it reached.(Dhp - 153, 154)
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Re: Improving Buddhism/The Imperfect Buddha

Postby hermitwin » Thu Sep 26, 2013 3:15 am

As Buddha said he only taught a handful of leaves.
The things he knew was like the leaves in the forest.
He taught what was necessary for nibbana.

Imperfect human beings continue to argue
about how to improve Buddha's teachings.
These arguments will never end.

Keep in mind that Buddha said his teachings will not last forever.
The deterioration of the dhamma will continue until
some day when it is completely lost.



danieLion wrote:Hi hermitwin,
hermitwin wrote:I dont think Buddhism can be improved upon.

If other Buddhists believed this we'd have no Abhidhamma, commentarial tradition, Visuddhimagga, etc.... We certainly wouldn't have Dhammawheel. We'd have doctrinal solidarity.
hermitwin wrote:as a manual for nibbana

What do you think is a manual?
Kindly,
dL
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Re: Improving Buddhism/The Imperfect Buddha

Postby clw_uk » Thu Sep 26, 2013 3:47 am

Keep in mind that Buddha said his teachings will not last forever.
The deterioration of the dhamma will continue until
some day when it is completely lost.


Which people have being saying for centuries :zzz:
Open your mind and see, open your mind and rise. Shine the light of wisdom and see, don't wait till the end of time.
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Re: Improving Buddhism/The Imperfect Buddha

Postby equilibrium » Thu Sep 26, 2013 10:03 am

clw_uk wrote:
Keep in mind that Buddha said his teachings will not last forever.
The deterioration of the dhamma will continue until
some day when it is completely lost.
Which people have being saying for centuries :zzz:

Try thousands of years!
"Whatever is of a nature to arise, all that is of a nature to cease": (Nibbana 33 Sermons.)
"For anything that has a beginning must have an end": (The oracle, The Matrix.)
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