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Rebirth as a GOD

Postby waimengwan » Sun Apr 07, 2013 10:07 am

If we practice ethics and that leads us to the higher realms. And if we cannot become an Arhat in this life, how do we avoid a rebirth as a god or demi god whereby we will just spend all our good karma away and this results in us going to the lower realms?
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Re: Rebirth as a GOD

Postby Ben » Sun Apr 07, 2013 10:13 am

Yes its a conundrum.

Unless we become an ariya then really the only option is returning as a human being. Given the chances of a putthujana returning as a human being are infintessimally small, then perhaps we should be focusing on striving for the first stage of awakening, sotapatti magga and phala.
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Re: Rebirth as a GOD

Postby BlackBird » Sun Apr 07, 2013 10:18 am

There are Buddhist devas who are Ariyans who practice Dhamma. During the Buddha's life a number of Devas became ariyans.

Kamma is not black and white either, one does not simply use up all one's merit during one's life in the heavens and then go straight to hell by necessity. Many are reborn again as humans following a stint in the heavens.
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Re: Rebirth as a GOD

Postby taintless » Sun Apr 07, 2013 10:49 am

Why is this bothering you?
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Re: Rebirth as a GOD

Postby waimengwan » Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:14 am

I wanted to know plus some people asked me during an online chat session I wasn't able to provide an answer to this conundrum. Yes some devas do get a human rebirth again not all fall into the lower realms again.
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Re: Rebirth as a GOD

Postby plwk » Sun Apr 07, 2013 5:27 pm

Bhikkhus, if you develop and make much this one thing,
it invariably leads to weariness, cessation, appeasement, realization and extinction.
What is it? It is recollecting the Enlightened One.
If this single thing is recollected and made much,
it invariably leads to weariness, cessation, appeasement, realization and extinction.

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Re: Rebirth as a GOD

Postby alan... » Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:12 am

i have not the time nor energy to drag up quotes, but i'm fairly certain the pali canon has statements that imply roughly that one who is moral and practices the dhamma earnestly will be able to practice in the next life even if they do not become a sotapanna.

so if someone is very moral and helps others and all that they will be reborn as a god and live out life that way and then back down to whatever realms after death.

but if someone is very moral and helps others and all that AND practices the dhamma diligently then they will be reborn as some kind of being who will find the dhamma again.
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Re: Rebirth as a GOD

Postby yawares » Sun Apr 14, 2013 8:36 pm



Dear Plwk,

Thanks for The Bhikkhu Deva story...Please let me post it @ my SD/JTN Groups...

Love your story :heart:
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Dear BlackBird/Alan,

I love your comments...that's what I think too.

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Re: Rebirth as a GOD

Postby mogg » Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:59 am

Ben wrote:Yes its a conundrum.

Unless we become an ariya then really the only option is returning as a human being. Given the chances of a putthujana returning as a human being are infintessimally small, then perhaps we should be focusing on striving for the first stage of awakening, sotapatti magga and phala.
kind regards,

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Remember that in the Buddha's time, the world population was approximately 20 million people, whereas now the world population is approximately 7 billion. The chances of returning as human being now, would be exponentially greater than in the Buddhas day (although this may well still be an unusual occurrence, who really knows?).
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Re: Rebirth as a GOD

Postby pegembara » Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:03 am

Gotama was living the lifestyle of gods. He had everything- youth, wealth, health, good looks, power etc. That did not stop him from seeking the way out of samsara. Granted, most people having what he had would not be inclined to search. What is the point if life is all fun and games?

I was delicate, excessively delicate. In my father's dwelling three lotus ponds were made purposely for me. Blue lotuses bloomed in one, red in another, and white in the third. I used no sandalwood that was not of Kaasi.[I0] My turban, tunic, dress and cloak were all from Kaasi. Night and day a white parasol was held over me so that I might not be touched by heat or cold, dust, leaves or dew."

"There were three palaces built for me-one for the cold season, one for the hot season, one for the rainy season. During the four rainy months, I lived in the palace for the rainy season, entertained by female musicians, without coming down from the palace. Just as in the houses of others, food from the husks of rice together with sour gruel is given to the slaves and workmen, even so, in my father's dwelling, food with rice and meat was given to the slaves and workmen."



"Monks, there are these two searches: ignoble search & noble search. And what is ignoble search? There is the case where a person, being subject himself to birth, seeks [happiness in] what is likewise subject to birth. Being subject himself to aging... illness... death... sorrow... defilement, he seeks [happiness in] what is likewise subject to illness... death... sorrow... defilement.

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