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S.N Goenka

Exploring Theravāda's connections to other paths. What can we learn from other traditions, religions and philosophies?
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S.N Goenka

Postby greggorious » Tue Mar 26, 2013 2:47 pm

Is S.N Goenka's style of Buddhism different to the usual Theravada teachings?. Does he run a different tradition altogether, or is it an offshoot of Theravada?
"The original heart/mind shines like pure, clear water with the sweetest taste. But if the heart is pure, is our practice over? No, we must not cling even to this purity. We must go beyond all duality, all concepts, all bad, all good, all pure, all impure. We must go beyond self and nonself, beyond birth and death. When we see with the eye of wisdom, we know that the true Buddha is timeless, unborn, unrelated to any body, any history, any image. Buddha is the ground of all being, the realization of the truth of the unmoving mind.” Ajahn Chah

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Re: S.N Goenka

Postby iforgotmyname » Tue Mar 26, 2013 3:38 pm

S.N Goenka's meditation retreats were secular - he had a way of making it secular and he took teachings from several religions and concentrated on any commonality rather than teach any one particular teaching. But he had trained under a Burmese Monk (I forgot his name, sorry).

AFAIK, Goenka teaches a form of Vipassana - and Dhamma, not necessarily Buddhism.

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Re: S.N Goenka

Postby makarasilapin » Tue Mar 26, 2013 3:38 pm

i've been to two Goenka retreats and i can't believe i went back the second time as the first time was bad enough. i don't consider it dhamma because it's not in line with what Buddha taught. he's like Thich Nhat Hanh - basically his own weird religion/off-shoot of Buddhism...

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Postby Mojo » Tue Mar 26, 2013 4:54 pm

I meant to write explored not exploited. Google Swype on my phone misunderstood and I didn't catch it before hitting submit. Corrected. My apologies for the misunderstanding.

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Re: S.N Goenka

Postby convivium » Tue Mar 26, 2013 6:35 pm

Just keep breathing in and out like this. Don't be interested in anything else. It doesn't matter even if someone is standing on their head with their ass in the air. Don't pay it any attention. Just stay with the in-breath and the out-breath. Concentrate your awareness on the breath. Just keep doing it. http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Just_Do_It_1_2.php

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Re: S.N Goenka

Postby vidar » Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:54 pm

All the world is on fire, All the world is burning, All the world is ablaze, All the world is quaking. That which does not quake or blaze, That to which worldlings do not resort, Where there is no place for Mara:That is where my mind delights. (SN 5.7)

By degrees, little by little,
from moment to moment,
the wise purify themselves,
as a smith purifies silver.
—Dhammapada 239

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Re: S.N Goenka

Postby convivium » Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:00 pm

he 'ignores' and rules out a lot of teachings.
Just keep breathing in and out like this. Don't be interested in anything else. It doesn't matter even if someone is standing on their head with their ass in the air. Don't pay it any attention. Just stay with the in-breath and the out-breath. Concentrate your awareness on the breath. Just keep doing it. http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Just_Do_It_1_2.php

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Re: S.N Goenka

Postby vidar » Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:13 pm

All the world is on fire, All the world is burning, All the world is ablaze, All the world is quaking. That which does not quake or blaze, That to which worldlings do not resort, Where there is no place for Mara:That is where my mind delights. (SN 5.7)

By degrees, little by little,
from moment to moment,
the wise purify themselves,
as a smith purifies silver.
—Dhammapada 239

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Re: S.N Goenka

Postby Prasadachitta » Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:25 pm

At this point it would make sense to discuss the particular way Goenka teaches and point out specifically what he does or does not teach which would place him on the fringes of Theravada. Otherwise .....
"Beautifully taught is the Lord's Dhamma, immediately apparent, timeless, of the nature of a personal invitation, progressive, to be attained by the wise, each for himself." Anguttara Nikaya V.332

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Re: S.N Goenka

Postby convivium » Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:33 pm

Just keep breathing in and out like this. Don't be interested in anything else. It doesn't matter even if someone is standing on their head with their ass in the air. Don't pay it any attention. Just stay with the in-breath and the out-breath. Concentrate your awareness on the breath. Just keep doing it. http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Just_Do_It_1_2.php

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Re: S.N Goenka

Postby Ben » Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:34 pm

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: S.N Goenka

Postby convivium » Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:37 pm

burmese theravada = typically commentarial and sub-commentarial (sometimes in contradiction to the suttas e.g. when it comes to right concentration)
Just keep breathing in and out like this. Don't be interested in anything else. It doesn't matter even if someone is standing on their head with their ass in the air. Don't pay it any attention. Just stay with the in-breath and the out-breath. Concentrate your awareness on the breath. Just keep doing it. http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Just_Do_It_1_2.php

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Re: S.N Goenka

Postby Ben » Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:40 pm

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

(Buddhist aid in Myanmar) • •

e: [email protected]..


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