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The causes for wisdom

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See, there is no self, there are only fleeting elements arising in an instant and ceasing.

So Right effort, sammavayama, of the eightfold path, of satipatthana, has to have sammaditthi as a conascent paccaya (condition) otherwise it is not effort of the eightfold path.
All dhammas are arising and passing very fast indeed, very uncontrollable.
Here is a quote from the Burmese Abhidhamma teacher Thein Nyun in his preface to the DhatuKathu (PaliTextSociety) xxvii

"Because the functions of the elements give rise to the concepts of continuity, collection and form, the ideas arise:

1)the initial effort that has to be exerted when a deed is about to be performed and

2) the care that has to be taken while the deed is being performed to its completion and this leads to the subsequent ideas

3)"I can perform" and

4) "I can feel".

Thus these four imaginary characteristic functions of being have bought about a deep-rooted belief in their existence.But the elements have not the time or span of duration to carry out such functions" (
Thein Nyun)

Factors like intention, effort and concentration can be very strong indeed, but if they are not associated with wisdom then they have nothing o do with satipatthana; yet they can be taken for sati.
Hence the need to be circumspect and put in effort to understand Dhamma correctly. The one who is in a hurry , who thinks he understands practice easily is the one who is going to mistake the wrong path for the right one.

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---The trouble is that you think you have time---
---Worry is the Interest, paid in advance, on a debt you may never owe---
---It's not what happens to you in life that is important ~ it's what you do with it ---

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"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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"I don't envision a single thing that, when developed & cultivated, leads to such great benefit as the mind. The mind, when developed & cultivated, leads to great benefit."

"I don't envision a single thing that, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about such suffering & stress as the mind. The mind, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about suffering & stress."

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Postby robertk » Mon Apr 01, 2013 8:05 am

last week i was listening to a man on the BBC who visted some Christian monastery in the mountains of lebanon.
He met this monk who had been on almost silent retreat for 4o years and was most impressed by his beatific look and speech while chanting from the bible
But of course this monk- while having states of mind and sila that might look better than the Belly sandwich addict- has not even an instant of satipatthana in his entire life, and no foreseeable way that he ever will.

The Dhamma is profound and not easily seen.

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Yes of course he did. But as the texts show it takes a long time to understand and realise the Dhamma, aeons even.
Dhamma practice is not some technique that one learns and repeats and rinses, it's not related to posture, and it is not about how much one wants to succeed.
It is about understanding what is what and what is not what.

I think we live immersed in lobha (craving) like a fish in water. Just giving up sensual pleasure is like a fish who stops swimming, like he is striking against his life, but he is still in the water.
So the way out is by seeing not doing.

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