mikenz66 wrote:Hmm, you really need to read the threads,
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mikenz66 wrote:Hmm, you really need to read the threads,
I couldn't understand the meaning, could you explain?Mkoll wrote:mikenz66 wrote:Hmm, you really need to read the threads,
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It was a rather vague joke having to do with feigned and exaggerated indignation that only I probably got because I made it up. I'll explain anyway.robertk wrote:I couldn't understand the meaning, could you explain?
I don't see any need to be indignant. I think it's an interesting discussion that addresses the important question of to what extent we actually have control over conditions from various points of view. While I have some disagreements with the Sujin model that Robert favours, if you look at the links I gave above, especially my partial transcription of a talk by Ajahn Amaro, you'll see that other teachers do discuss problems with tackling bhavana with wrong view.Mkoll wrote:surprised and indignant that mikenz66 would suggest that I read this gigantic thread: "omg no way"
Actually, just read the first 20 pages of this, which is not too much, and likely you will be jawdropping and omg-ing with actual indignation. After that just jump in anywhere and read a bit here and there andMkoll wrote: = surprised and indignant that mikenz66 would suggest that I read this gigantic thread: "omg no way"
Lol. It was a joke, or rather an attempt at one:mikenz66 wrote:I don't see any need to be indignant.
Remind me not to try that brand of humor again.Mkoll wrote:feigned and exaggerated indignation
Certainly it was a joke, but seriously read the first 20 pages, if you have not already.Mkoll wrote:Lol. It was a joke, or rather an attempt at one:mikenz66 wrote:I don't see any need to be indignant.
Remind me not to try that brand of humor again.Mkoll wrote:feigned and exaggerated indignation
I just now skimmed the first 20 and I've seen enough.tiltbillings wrote:Certainly it was a joke, but seriously read the first 20 pages, if you have not already.
But you should comment.Mkoll wrote:I just now skimmed the first 20 and I've seen enough.tiltbillings wrote:Certainly it was a joke, but seriously read the first 20 pages, if you have not already.
I'll refrain from commenting.
I will say that now that I have a better idea of what a "Sujin-notions of mindfulness" is, as you mentioned at the beginning of the page, I know not to touch it with a yojana-long pole.tiltbillings wrote:But you should comment.Mkoll wrote:I just now skimmed the first 20 and I've seen enough.tiltbillings wrote:Certainly it was a joke, but seriously read the first 20 pages, if you have not already.
I'll refrain from commenting.
I certainly understand, but on the other hand such discussions can be of value in that it helps clarify one's own understanding, especially when faced with an unusual point of view. Again, without question I can understand not wanting to engage in such a discussion.Mkoll wrote: I will say that now that I have a better idea of what a "Sujin-notions of mindfulness" is, as you mentioned at the beginning of the page, I know not to touch it with a yojana-long pole.
That is, obviously, highly debatable.cooran wrote:I attended a few of the regular study groups many years ago in Thailand. Her teachings and discussions are based on the the accepted Teachings of the Buddha in the Tipitaka and align with explanations by buddhist scholars.
While I would not use the word cult in its pejorative sense, I certainly would use the word sectarian, in that she holds -- or certainly implies -- that she has the correct interpretation of the Dhamma and that those who try to practice meditation are acting, according to her distorted understanding of meditation practice, on lobha. And as we have seen in this thread there is a significant problem with her straw-man characterization of meditation practice that has been shown to fly in the face of what the suttas and the commentaries have to say. While there may be some virtue to Sujin practice, her teachings are, over all, highly idiosyncratic interpretations that are on the far margins.There is no Sujin cult.