No believing in God is not such a good idea.

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Postby SarathW » Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:30 pm

Thanks Tilt.
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Postby Mkoll » Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:32 pm

Believing in God is good idea if it helps one be a moral and virtuous person.

Believing in God is a bad idea if it helps one be an immoral and unvirtuous person.

We're all at different stages of spiritual development. For some, believing in God is where they are at. For others, believing in the Buddha is where they are at.

To each his own.

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Postby binocular » Thu Jan 30, 2014 10:10 am

How can anyone choose to believe in God, or think that believing in God is a matter of choice??

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Postby dhammafriend » Thu Jan 30, 2014 11:19 am

Belief in God, gods, spirits etc are all taught to people, hence you have churches, temples, bible study, Islamic schools etc.
The creator god concept comes from a very basic mistake in logic: The assumption that we just have to find the right god who made all this stuff.
No-one seriously questions the assumption that there is a god in the first place (because the argument would collapse). Also, how do you prove it was not 3 gods who made everything or 33 for that matter?

The concept of God/ gods serves an emotional function for human beings. i.e.: That there is ultimately a way to control your experience (because even if you are not in charge the god / goddess is) This provides immense comfort and solace when things get out of control: sudden deaths in the family, change of fortune etc. Its a coping mechanism thats thousands of years old. The problem with the concept is that its only as good as what we can image it to be. If people are aggressive and war-like, their chosen deity simply reflects that. And the reverse as well.

At the end of the day the Buddha spoke against it as wrong view as it is another manifestation of tanha and upadana based on avijja. So whether you are monistic, monotheistic, polytheistic, henotheistic etc. Whatever point of attachment you have, no matter how sublime the experience or refined the argument, if you cling to it, you suffer.

Thats the whole point of Dhamma (utterly unique in this world). He didn't teach to give us more things to build up and cling to. Especially ditthi (views) The best view is right view (samma ditthi) that leads to the end of attachment to all views. Fools try to cover the earth with leather, the wise put on sandals. Sadhu X3

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For me there is no other refuge, the Buddha is my excellent refuge.
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By the utterance of this truth, may I grow in the Master’s Way.

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Postby dhammafriend » Fri Jan 31, 2014 9:48 am

For those intent on positing God* (why not 2 or 3 or 45 gods? ) please read through these suttas below. Buddhist epistemology will not allow for such a being/reality within its own systems, whether pantheistic, monistic, monotheistic etc. It's not something that been overlooked for 2500 years. It's been dealt with in every tradition from Sri Lanka to China, Tibet, you name it.

Sabba Sutta
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html
...Anyone who would say, 'Repudiating this All, I will describe another,' if questioned on what exactly might be the grounds for his statement, would be unable to explain, and furthermore, would be put to grief. Why? Because it lies beyond range."

Kalama Sutta
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html

Bhara Sutta The Buddha cuts to the chase here.
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html

Brahmajala Sutta
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .bodh.html

Can you add salt to cement? Yes. Is it necessary? No. All religions are free to interpret their religious experiences as they wish. Nothing wrong with that. If its true for them subjectively then great! The problem arises when others do not see it the same way. And we can't have that now can we?

*I mean a creator deity who caused all existence and is involved in the day to day affairs of humans.

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Natthi me saranam annam buddho me saranam varam
For me there is no other refuge, the Buddha is my excellent refuge.
Etena saccavajjena vaddheyyam satthu-sasane
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Re: No believing in God is not such a good idea.

Postby Spiny Norman » Fri Jan 31, 2014 9:59 am

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"My religion is very simple - my religion is ice-cream."
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Postby Mkoll » Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:33 pm

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa


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