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on the constant debunking of the dhamma on this forum

Postby alan... » Tue Dec 18, 2012 6:53 am

i believe it would be a good idea to create a separate section on the literal workings of the dhamma and how they do not rely on historicity of texts or peoples. perhaps a faq sheet or just a closed section typed out by someone who can explain it or even a new forum section that promotes this kind of discussion. this should be in some kind of section labeled nice and big "for those new to buddhism" or "...new to the theravada" or "read this first!" or something like that, that way new people will read this first hopefully and not have their beliefs and trust in the buddha and the dhamma destroyed.

and there should also be a section on reasons to have faith that the buddha did exist and that the dhamma is from him. again either a static faq or info section or a forum division.

the reason for this is that i see all over this site people pointing out that the dhamma isn't necessarily the same as the buddha taught, the idea that parts of the canon are not authentic, that the buddha may have never existed and so on.

if i was new to the dhamma this information would have made me walk away and write buddhism off as nonsense, a bunch of corrupted ideas that have no reasonable source and therefore there is no reason to practice them since it sounds like people have no idea where they really came from. the buddha as a teaching figure is the pedigree that is supposed to draw people in, he's one of the three jewels! so is the dhamma! so debunking it left and right is probably not great if there is no "anti debunking" information or section on this forum. this kind of attitude without any remedy is absurdly counter to what buddhism is about. key phrase "without any remedy" i'm not saying people should not say these things, i'm saying there should be balance.

as it is i have direct experience with the dhamma enough that i have faith in it as a whole and can sum that up like this:

"finding out that the buddha never existed would be as devastating to the practice of the dhamma as finding out the wright brothers never existed would be to aeronautics."

even if the inventers of the airplane never existed, we can still fly because the methods are sound. the same goes for the dhamma, the methods simply work, we can still enter jhana, be mindful, and see through reality, so it is irrelevant where they came from.

however new buddhists do not know this yet and it's very disturbing that people just debunk buddhism left and right on here without any thought about how damaging that is to the dhamma itself.

now of course people should be able to say these things. there's nothing wrong with that, i'm just saying that there should be a solution to the fact that it surly shatters some new comers faith in buddhism completely. there should be balance to make this less likely and give people without strong experience information to keep them from simply walking away.
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Postby James the Giant » Tue Dec 18, 2012 7:45 am

It's a good idea Alan, but nobody ever Ever reads the Read This First bit.
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Postby Ben » Tue Dec 18, 2012 7:59 am

Greetings Alan...
We do have a "discovering theravada" forum which is set for moderator approval meaning that threads and posts can only be published following approval by a moderator. The guidelines of the DT forum are strict and posts in that forum are only usually approved if they represent mainstream Theravada, a balance of views, contain links to externally published material inc. Tipitaka, and aimed at a "newbie" audience. Within the Discovering Theravada forum there is a pinned thread "Introductory Resources" for those new to the tradition.

Keep in mind Alan that there are probably as many newbies coming from a materialist perspective than there is newbies who have a historical, romantic or faith-based perspective. Having come from a Buddhist discussion board where attempting to discuss rebirth was cause to get one banned, I think the exchange of ideas here is a good thing. I think we do go out of our way to look after those new to the tradition and assist them as much as possible, whether it be explaining this or that Dhammic concept or assisting them with finding a teacher close by to them. And the feedback I receive is that is also the case.
Thanks for your kind suggestion.
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Alan, what are you talking about? By my recollection we haven't had an official "debunker" here since Contemplans.

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alan...
Do you consider Reverend Analayo a debunker?

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