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Postby imagemarie » Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:49 pm

Hi :namaste:

My favourite IMS teacher sometimes refers to "the sacred" in his talks.
I have understood this to mean "life", or "reality" in some contexts,
(as this is my preferred interpretation), but I might be mistaken.

Does "the sacred" mean anything in Buddhism? Is life sacred?
Or is this a concept more likely to be met within the Mahayana tradition/s..

Sacred - "worthy of or regarded with reverence, awe, or respect" in a religious context.

Might one describe the Buddhadhamma as sacred?
Secular Buddhists would be very uncomfortable with the term, would they not? Perhaps context is all. But sometimes I am a little chary of it :smile:

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Re: Sacred

Postby tiltbillings » Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:39 pm

imagemarie wrote:Hi :namaste:

My favourite IMS teacher sometimes refers to "the sacred" in his talks.
I have understood this to mean "life", or "reality" in some contexts,
(as this is my preferred interpretation), but I might be mistaken.

Does "the sacred" mean anything in Buddhism? Is life sacred?
Or is this a concept more likely to be met within the Mahayana tradition/s..

Sacred - "worthy of or regarded with reverence, awe, or respect" in a religious context.

Might one describe the Buddhadhamma as sacred?
Secular Buddhists would be very uncomfortable with the term, would they not? Perhaps context is all. But sometimes I am a little chary of it :smile:

Thank-you

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Give an example of how the expression is used, if you could, please.
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.

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Re: Sacred

Postby imagemarie » Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:54 pm

Thank-you tilt. Here's a very recent example...

"This sense of myself, gathered as a formation - the belief that I am centred in the world and all the observation and data is coming in this way, is because I am formed to believe that. And when we start looking at what it is that is formed, we start having questions about that belief.
And as we become more transparent, we feel to a greater extent, some sense of the sacred. It becomes accessible.
When we are very well formed, very defined, very reactive, very certain of everything through our opinions and knowledge, there isn't much room for the sacred to enter, because there's only room for the forms of life to be there. So we kind of exclude it, or crowd it out, because of the certainty we have in form.
So when we develop less certainty within that form, we are seeing through some of the hardness of our definitions and we have access...the light that comes through is the sacred..the quality of sacredness"

Poetry..metaphor.. Perhaps ultimately it doesn't matter which words are used to name an un-nameable..I don't know
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Re: Sacred

Postby tiltbillings » Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:14 pm

imagemarie wrote:Thank-you tilt. Here's a very recent example...

"This sense of myself, gathered as a formation - the belief that I am centred in the world and all the observation and data is coming in this way, is because I am formed to believe that. And when we start looking at what it is that is formed, we start having questions about that belief.
And as we become more transparent, we feel to a greater extent, some sense of the sacred. It becomes accessible.
When we are very well formed, very defined, very reactive, very certain of everything through our opinions and knowledge, there isn't much room for the sacred to enter, because there's only room for the forms of life to be there. So we kind of exclude it, or crowd it out, because of the certainty we have in form.
So when we develop less certainty within that form, we are seeing through some of the hardness of our definitions and we have access...the light that comes through is the sacred..the quality of sacredness"

Poetry..metaphor.. Perhaps ultimately it doesn't matter which words are used to name an un-nameable..I don't know
And thank you. it makes sense to me, the use of the word "sacred" in this context. It is, I would say, referring to a shift in perception from that which is cluttered with contracted sense of "I want" or "I do not want" to the feeling tone that comes with the letting go of that via insight. It is like being in an overly warm, crowed, noisy, smoky, loud, brightly lit room and then stepping out into a cool, quiet night lit by the full moon in a great expansive sky.

I like the word sacred in this context, but it is a "religious" word, which I guess be a little disconcerting for the more secular sorts, so it just becomes more stuff to watch.
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.

"We eat cold eels and think distant thoughts." -- Jack Johnson
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Re: Sacred

Postby imagemarie » Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:32 pm

Yes.
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Re: Sacred

Postby Kim OHara » Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:25 pm

imagemarie wrote:Thank-you tilt. Here's a very recent example...

"This sense of myself, gathered as a formation - the belief that I am centred in the world and all the observation and data is coming in this way, is because I am formed to believe that. And when we start looking at what it is that is formed, we start having questions about that belief.
And as we become more transparent, we feel to a greater extent, some sense of the sacred. It becomes accessible.
When we are very well formed, very defined, very reactive, very certain of everything through our opinions and knowledge, there isn't much room for the sacred to enter, because there's only room for the forms of life to be there. So we kind of exclude it, or crowd it out, because of the certainty we have in form.
So when we develop less certainty within that form, we are seeing through some of the hardness of our definitions and we have access...the light that comes through is the sacred..the quality of sacredness"

Poetry..metaphor.. Perhaps ultimately it doesn't matter which words are used to name an un-nameable..I don't know

Some Mahayanists might use 'Buddha-nature' where this teacher uses 'the sacred'. 'Transcendent' or 'numinous' are other words you will come across in other traditions.
All of them tend to unsettle rationalists.
:thinking:

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Re: Sacred

Postby tiltbillings » Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:41 pm

Kim O'Hara wrote:
imagemarie wrote:Thank-you tilt. Here's a very recent example...

"This sense of myself, gathered as a formation - the belief that I am centred in the world and all the observation and data is coming in this way, is because I am formed to believe that. And when we start looking at what it is that is formed, we start having questions about that belief.
And as we become more transparent, we feel to a greater extent, some sense of the sacred. It becomes accessible.
When we are very well formed, very defined, very reactive, very certain of everything through our opinions and knowledge, there isn't much room for the sacred to enter, because there's only room for the forms of life to be there. So we kind of exclude it, or crowd it out, because of the certainty we have in form.
So when we develop less certainty within that form, we are seeing through some of the hardness of our definitions and we have access...the light that comes through is the sacred..the quality of sacredness"

Poetry..metaphor.. Perhaps ultimately it doesn't matter which words are used to name an un-nameable..I don't know

Some Mahayanists might use 'Buddha-nature' where this teacher uses 'the sacred'. 'Transcendent' or 'numinous' are other words you will come across in other traditions.
All of them tend to unsettle rationalists.
:thinking:

:namaste:
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Poetry, metaphor.
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.

"We eat cold eels and think distant thoughts." -- Jack Johnson
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Re: Sacred

Postby DAWN » Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:04 pm

If we watch etymologicaly, we will see that all (or big part of them) words are actualy composition of many words, some kind of concetrated metaphores.
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