Alan Wallace on Modern Vipassana

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Re: Alan Wallace on Modern Vipassana

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Re: Alan Wallace on Modern Vipassana

Postby Shonin » Fri Jun 11, 2010 10:07 pm

With bare attention or mindfulness, insight arises by itself - we can see which behaviours and habits of mind lead to good conseqences and which lead to bad consequences. Awareness gives us the freedom to respond accordingly.

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Re: Alan Wallace on Modern Vipassana

Postby tiltbillings » Fri Jun 11, 2010 10:58 pm

Also, keep in mind the OP: I'm curious exactly what Tiltbillings finds unimpressive about Wallace's critique, and what everyone thinks of the article he posted.

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Re: Alan Wallace on Modern Vipassana

Postby Sobeh » Fri Jun 11, 2010 11:08 pm

Dude, then just ask for an apology or something.

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Re: Alan Wallace on Modern Vipassana

Postby Shonin » Sat Jun 12, 2010 6:23 am

I also find it more accessible and relevant to most people that traditional Buddhism, which is why I've been doing it - I can better bring the benefits of meditation to people that way. On the other hand, I still practice with Zen and Theravada groups and study the Nikayas and other traditional texts.

I don't have any firm conclusion as to how MBCT and traditional Buddhism compare in terms of long-term efficacy. However I do know that I have persuaded my work colleagues to do mindfulness meditation, something they would not have touched if it was presented in a traditional Buddhist format.

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Re: Alan Wallace on Modern Vipassana

Postby PeterB » Sat Jun 12, 2010 8:09 am

Does " Traditional Buddhism " actually exist in reality ? Not a rhetorical question btw.
It seems to me that there are a number of Traditional Buddhisms in the Theravada and some of them differ widely from others.

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Re: Alan Wallace on Modern Vipassana

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Re: Alan Wallace on Modern Vipassana

Postby PeterB » Sat Jun 12, 2010 8:31 am

Which begs the question what is this thread about ?
Back in the late 60's the debate was raging in UK circles about Vipassana with one side ( the Buddhist Society. the FWBO ) against and a number of teachers for. That debate still goes on, and the arguments for and against have not changed. In the end and by and large and to generalise, it comes down to a debate between those who have done it in an extended way, and those who have not.
There is another elephant in the room..which is about those who are confident that they can and do traverse the Jhanas and those who are unconvinced that this is really an option for we who live in a modern urban setting.

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Re: Alan Wallace on Modern Vipassana

Postby PeterB » Sat Jun 12, 2010 9:53 am

I think that you are not wrong Tilt old chap....just falling into a little Maurice C O Walshe there.
Pity that he ( Walshe ) isnt still around. His contribution to this forum would have been wonderful.A thought that will keep me smiling for the next ten minutes..
On a couple of occasions I was at retreats lead by he who became Dhiravamsa, and Walshe and Mrs Walshe were there as attendees.


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