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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Postby gavesako » Fri Jan 15, 2016 9:04 am

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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Postby dagon » Fri Jan 15, 2016 11:03 am

Thank you Bhante Gavesako for helping us to stay informed about the current events in the Thai Sangha

Would you happen to have any links to reliable information about the removal of the authority of Thailand's late Supreme Patriarch, Somdet Phra Nyanasamvara Somdet Phra Sangharaj and the appointment of the current Acting Supreme Patriarch. Additionally would you be able to assist me with any reference to the interactions between Wat Dhammakaya, its senior Monks and the Sangha Supreme Council at or near that time.

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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Postby gavesako » Fri Jan 15, 2016 12:42 pm

You can read more in this article which explains some of the background:

Politics, Corruption in Battle for Naming New 'Supreme Patriarch'

http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.ph ... 1452853495


The Sangharaja (Supreme Patriarch) issue goes back quite a long time and reflects the rivalry between the two sects in Thailand. The reformed Dhammayut sect is seen as closer to the royal family and their senior monks have held the top position more often than their numbers would indicate (the vast majority of Thai temples belong to the Mahanikaya sect). So now some of the Mahanikaya monks are threatening to send thousands of yellow robes into the streets of Bangkok if the abbot of Wat Paknam (also Mahanikaya) is barred from becoming the 20th Sangharaja. Even red shirt politicians are speaking up to support his nomination, so it has turned into a political issue. Religion is of course used to legitimize worldly power, and the Dhammakaya temple attracts certain politicians who don't have access to royal temples directly.
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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Postby gavesako » Mon Jan 18, 2016 12:17 pm

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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Postby samseva » Mon Jan 18, 2016 10:56 pm

Dhammanando wrote:
samseva wrote:Regarding the choosing of a new Supreme Patriarch, what chances are there that he will be from the Dhammakaya sect?


There is no chance, since none of the eligible Somdets is a Wat Dhammakaya monk. The closest would be the abbot of Wat Paknam, the temple in Thonburi where the founders of Wat Dhammakaya learned the sammā arahaṃ meditation method.

Thank you, Bhante.

Let's hope even Somdet Chuang doesn't make it as the supreme patriarch. It could potentially have a negative effect on the Thai sangha.

What are your thoughts on the impact on the Thai sangha if Somdet Chuang were to be chosen as the new supreme patriarch?

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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Postby Dhammanando » Tue Jan 19, 2016 1:41 am

samseva wrote:What are your thoughts on the impact on the Thai sangha if Somdet Chuang were to be chosen as the new supreme patriarch?


I wrote a little on this matter two years ago:

http://dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=339&start=120#p266510

I don't expect his appointment to have much impact. Firstly he's in his nineties, so is unlikely to be in the job very long. Secondly, as best as I can gauge, the man's a diplomat and negotiator at heart and as such is more concerned with promoting harmony between competing factions than with taking sides. Thirdly, he'll be so busy with social duties that much of his power will have to be delegated to other Wat Paknam monks, some of whom are not at all enamoured with Wat Dhammakaya. Fourthly, even if some other Somdet were to get the top job, I'm pretty sure Wat Dhammakaya would just go overboard to corrupt him too.
    Yathā bubbuḷakaṃ passe, yathā passe marīcikaṃ,
    Evaṃ lokaṃ avekkhantaṃ, maccurājā na passati.

    One should see it as a bubble;
    One should see it as a mirage.
    Who regards the world thus
    The King of Death sees him not.
    (Dhammapada 170)


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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Postby gavesako » Tue Jan 19, 2016 9:22 pm

So it all hinges on an antique Mercedes car:

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/nationa ... 77271.html

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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Postby suriyopama » Wed Jan 20, 2016 1:46 am

The Mercedes car is the mundane hinge against the nomination of Somdet Chuang, and the moral hinge is his refusal to defrock Dhammachayo (abbot of Wat Dhammakaya) for distorting buddhist teachings and violating the Vinaya, disobeying an order from the former supreme patriarch, the venerable Somdet Phra Nyanasamvara.

This article http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/general/832076/government-defers-choice-of-top-monk says:
In a rival move, groups of supporters and Buddhist monks in Europe, meanwhile, issued an urgent statement calling on the government to take action against "extremist" groups moving against Somdet Chuang, said Chayapol Pongsida, deputy director of the NOB. He said these groups also wanted the government to instruct the DSI and other state agencies to stop "threatening" and "harassing" Somdet Chuang who they described as the "de facto supreme patriarch".


I am wondering who are those groups of supporters and Buddhist monks in Europe and what are their interests. European Dhammakaya branch? crusaders of the Shinawatra Clan?

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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Postby gavesako » Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:47 pm

They are probably just the Mahanikaya monks who want one of their group to become Sangharaja.


The National Buddhism Office explained yesterday that the power to appoint a new Supreme Patriarch lay with His Majesty the King.
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/nationa ... 77451.html
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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Postby samseva » Fri Jan 22, 2016 1:40 am

Dhammanando wrote:I wrote a little on this matter two years ago:

http://dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=339&start=120#p266510

I don't expect his appointment to have much impact. Firstly he's in his nineties, so is unlikely to be in the job very long. Secondly, as best as I can gauge, the man's a diplomat and negotiator at heart and as such is more concerned with promoting harmony between competing factions than with taking sides. Thirdly, he'll be so busy with social duties that much of his power will have to be delegated to other Wat Paknam monks, some of whom are not at all enamoured with Wat Dhammakaya. Fourthly, even if some other Somdet were to get the top job, I'm pretty sure Wat Dhammakaya would just go overboard to corrupt him too.

Thank you, Ven. Dhammanando, that was reassuring. Except for the last sentence; which isn't reassuring at all. :smile:

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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Postby gavesako » Mon Jan 25, 2016 9:50 pm

No peace within Thai Buddhism amid leadership crisis
Cod Satrusayang
Usually known for conducting their business behind closed doors, Sangha leaders are battling very public doubts over the selection of the supreme patriarch
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/opinion ... 77511.html

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Disgraced Former 'Golden Mount' Abbot Found Hanged at Wat Saket
http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.ph ... ypecate=06
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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Postby gavesako » Tue Jan 26, 2016 7:04 am

Damaging the good name of Buddhism (analysis of the situation and different Sangha factions)

http://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/opin ... f-buddhism
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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Postby dhammarelax » Tue Jan 26, 2016 8:23 pm

Dhammanando wrote:
samseva wrote:What are your thoughts on the impact on the Thai sangha if Somdet Chuang were to be chosen as the new supreme patriarch?


I wrote a little on this matter two years ago:

http://dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=339&start=120#p266510

I don't expect his appointment to have much impact. Firstly he's in his nineties, so is unlikely to be in the job very long. Secondly, as best as I can gauge, the man's a diplomat and negotiator at heart and as such is more concerned with promoting harmony between competing factions than with taking sides. Thirdly, he'll be so busy with social duties that much of his power will have to be delegated to other Wat Paknam monks, some of whom are not at all enamoured with Wat Dhammakaya. Fourthly, even if some other Somdet were to get the top job, I'm pretty sure Wat Dhammakaya would just go overboard to corrupt him too.


Sorry for being naive but what would it mean this corruption, like make him inclined to sensual pleasures or make him favor them in ways he is not supposed to do ?

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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Postby Dhammanando » Tue Jan 26, 2016 11:16 pm

dhammarelax wrote:Sorry for being naive but what would it mean this corruption, like make him inclined to sensual pleasures or make him favor them in ways he is not supposed to do ?


I mean currying favour with monks in positions of power by making huge donations to their wat.
    Yathā bubbuḷakaṃ passe, yathā passe marīcikaṃ,
    Evaṃ lokaṃ avekkhantaṃ, maccurājā na passati.

    One should see it as a bubble;
    One should see it as a mirage.
    Who regards the world thus
    The King of Death sees him not.
    (Dhammapada 170)


    ผู้ที่มองเห็นโลก ว่าไม่จีรังและหาสาระอะไรมิได้
    เช่นเดียวกับคนมองฟองน้ำและพยับแดด
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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Postby gavesako » Thu Jan 28, 2016 12:43 pm

How we’re mocking Buddhism
Tulsathit Taptim

There's no use in debating why a “religious” matter like appointing a new Supreme Patriarch has become deeply politicised. In the name of religions, anything is possible -- violence, random killings, invasions, wars, repression, you name it. Even one of the supposedly most peaceful religions on earth, Buddhism, is no exception. Thailand is only extremely unfortunate that the two most divisive forces -- politics and religions -- are showing their worst sides at the same time. ...

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/opinion ... 77801.html
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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Postby suriyopama » Mon Feb 01, 2016 12:24 pm

Dhammakaya has requested to have Magnum Ice Cream for nampana. Nampana is the time that monks drink some refreshment in the afternoon. They can have juice, tea, coffee, sweets, chocolate, honey... I believe that Ice Cream is also ok; when I was at Wat Pa Ampawan someone offered frozen jelly that they kept on the refrigerator. But the monks requesting the specific brand and model that they want… that’s bizarre.

The current bidding is to donate 1,500 Magnums. If you can donate more than that quantity, you may have a rich rebirth in the neighborhood of Steve Jobs :tongue:

Dhammakaya has a team of monks that are professional experts on marketing, but they may have forgotten the basic lesson about Procurement Ethics (not to mention the Vinaya).

I saw it this morning at Spring News TV. They were interviewing a monk (at the left of the picture) who was explaining the details:
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http://m.kanomjeeb.com/news-details.php?item=4134
http://news.mthai.com/hot-news/social-news/478147.html
http://www.posttoday.com/social/hot/413414
http://hilight.kapook.com/view/132268

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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Postby suriyopama » Mon Feb 01, 2016 2:06 pm

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Cover of the magazine Manager Weekly, January 9, 2016
Main cover reads: #teamtammy

[Monks on the cover, left-right: Phra Dhammachayo, Somdet Phra Maha Ratchamangalacharn. Refers to the appointment of a new Supreme Patriarch. Somdet Phra Maha Ratchamangalacharn is one of the candidates for the supreme patriarch. However, there are some groups against him due to the doubt of his close relations with the controversial abbot of Wat Phra Dammakaya, Phra Dhammachayo, whom he mentored when Phra Dhammachayo Phra Dhammachayo was ordained. Phra Dhammachayo was called by his opponents “Tammy” mimicking the pronunciation of his name.
This controversy involving Thai Buddhism is yet another area of the Thai world wrapped in with Thaksin. Thaksin had long attempted to supplant the traditional strain of Thai Buddhism with personal allies–particularly the Dhammakaya Movement which has extolled Thaksin as the ideal Buddhist layperson. The fear is that the sect would participate in a future Red Shirt uprising in Bangkok by ordaining 100,000 monks to march as human shields before for pro-Thaksin protesters. Thus, who controls the Buddhists hierarchy has become yet another political battleground.]

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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Postby suriyopama » Fri Feb 05, 2016 7:14 am

The DSI (Department of Special Investigation) has told the National Office of Buddhism to charge Phra Dhammakayo, the abbot of Wat Dhammakaya - or face criminal charges of dereliction.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/general/852440/dsi-urges-action-against-abbot


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