Im not sure how completely dodging the fact that i asked Visuddho to provide evidence and calling me uneducated because you have nothing to back up your many accusations is not an ad hominem attack. I also wonder why you keep saying ME and my friends. if there really are other Dhammkaya members here why dont you ever refer to them by name? im the only one here thats revealed any actual inside knowledge. Some1 who doesnt think Dhammakaya is a Nazi cult bent on world domination isnt automatically a dhammakaya follower.
Anyways to respond to the recent posts. first off, I accept that you wont provide the link to your totally existent proof Visuddo, that is fine. U do make a good point about the Bkk post subsciptions. But for the record i dont have a subsciption either and was still able to find my evidence regarding WPD asking DSI to give the abbot his charges at the temple. those articles were also archived but you can still find them on google, you just cant read the whole thing, but what you can read proves my statement enough and i read the articles fully b4 they were archived. if any1 thinks the whole article doesnt support my statement or is "taken outta context" buy a subscription and screenshot the whole article and i will leave dhammakaya forever. I am that confident about it.
I do think the DSI scandal is relavent because it is proof that DSI is shady and dhammakaya has a valid reason not to trust them. But no matter, if you guys think it is off topic i will concede on that. But just saying why i thought it was on topic and that it is somewhat relavent.
As for mano, i can literally make up a rumor saying he is a serial killer and since you dont know enough about him or me you cant say its for sure false. he has never provided evidence for his accusations so me saying he is a serial killer is just as credible as anything he says. dhammakaya does not respond to most of his claims because he makes so many and so frequently and it doesnt matter if we do. In america ppl used to say Obama needs to show his birth certificate to prove he was born here, when he did the same ppl just said it was a fake. That is exactly what would happen if we wasted our time denying his ridiculous accusations. you say i dont know enuff about mano to know he is lying but i know enuff about WPD cuz i actually bother to go there, and from my experience firsthand I know that Mano gives inaccurate statements all the time that he clearly made up. given his track record, and the fact that Mano is the ONLY one claiming these things it is reasonable to say he lies about the things we cant "disprove" also. Im sure there are things that are true, but with his record of false claims its hard to tell whats true and what isnt. Mano knows a group of ppl will believe in anything even if it has no evidence whatsoever so he makes up these ridiculous things about WPD and our abbot. I bet you anything if i went to Juntaland and walked around with my digital tally counter that I use for mantra meditation that Thai people who listen to Mano would try to order a pizza on it.
I am not leaving as an excuse, i am leaving because much like the obama birth certificate people this is a fruitless arguement. if i say something I have to provide proof, if i provide proof its "out of context" and biased. Im not exactly sure in what context the actual board members of the victim credit union saying they do not support the case against dhammakaya could possibly not mean exactly that. Not only is my proof not good enuff the evangelicals here don't have to provide proof and are allowed to state incredibly demonizing "facts" without any evidence whatsoever and unless i can disprove them they are true. and of course even if i do disprove them its biased. This is too much work for me, i have a full time job and a life, its not a fair match if i can only stick with verifiable facts while the critics can make up "contexts" and "facts" as they please. Even if my proof is biased it is better than anything you evangelicals have provided. Still waiting for those sources.
Im not going to sit here and provide more links that the evangelicals will call "out of context" and biased, but i will tell you that there is consensus that Dhammakaya appears in the pali canon, simple CTRL-Find. its clear its there. the controversy is the interpretation. Ven. Payutto, a leading Buddhist scholar (also a critic of Mano Laohavanich for never providing any kind of evidence for anything he says) has criticized the Dhammakaya tradition on our intepretation of Dhammakaya. which is fine because of course we differ in interpretation, but that's proof that the word is clearly in there, its just the interpretation that is debatable and there are many interpretations
I do agree with Bhikkhu Pesala about the rhetoric on here being way overblown. I am a guilty party i will admit, but this was a problem way before i was here and most of the posts before i was here were overwhelmingly anti-dhammakaya. id also like to point out that i made a similar statement to his earlier in the thread. just saying. It woulda been nice if somebody provided that kind of insight sooner than 7 years after this hate thread started.
I will say that i am quite glad Dhammawheel and Dharmawheel are two seperate sites though. Considering the hatred for Dhammakaya i could only imagine how badly the evangelicals here would trash Mahayana Buddhism, which is way more different to the forest tradition than Dhammakaya is. It sure would reflect badly on Theravada Buddhists if a bunch of evangelical Buddhists trashed and demonized mahayana buddhism for several years and made up a bunch of random accusations trying to portray them as evil. Especially when one of the arguments used is "The way they practice is how the majority of buddhists practice, but I am right and everybody else is wrong so they deserve to be trashed" (a bit of a paraphrase/exaggeration of this from Vissudho)
Visuddho wrote:Yes most people in the world share your wrong view and values. That's why wpd has more followers as eg the forest tradition
and for the record the exagerration in my paraphrase is meant to make a point.
Anyways, this is the reason I am back on here. I recently got news of this and thought i would share. http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/crime/1103852/dhammajayo-indictment-postponed-for-4th-time
Juntaland has again postponed the decision on whether to indict our abbot. This can be taken many ways, evangelicals saying we control the prosecutor, me saying its because Juntaland knows they dont have enough evidence to indict etc.
But it does say that exactly five suspects are being investigated for the money. To reiterate my statement from a previous post.
STILL waiting for the other 20 plus groups who recieved the exact same money to be investigated for "recieving stolen goods"
I will see you all randomly in the future if/when there is anymore news to share.