Wat Dhammakaya

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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Postby jameswang » Tue Feb 18, 2014 2:59 am

A 2006 piece By Sanitsuda Ekachai on Bangkok Post
on the Dhammachayo-Thaksin connection.

Bringing saffron into yellow act
http://www.international.ucla.edu/artic ... ntid=49022
(The article is no longer on Bangkok Post website. )
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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Postby jameswang » Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:02 am

jameswang wrote:Guess what? I got the invitation list to a Dhammakaya event.

Sorry, it should be "attendance list". I've already corrected the post.
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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Postby jameswang » Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:08 am

Another piece on the Dhammachayo-Thaksin connection:

TRT and Dhammakaya Temple - perfect match
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2006/09 ... 014752.php

This one is by former core monastic member of Wat Dhammakaya for 19 years,
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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Postby Sokehi » Tue Feb 18, 2014 8:17 pm

This is just disgusting.

"According to the law of karma as promoted by the temple, Thaksin Shinawatra was hailed as the ideal lay Buddhist, who had been blessed by the merit of his past lives and was endowed with a great many virtues. The temple played a song praising Thaksin composed by the Phra Dhammajayo himself on its Dow Tham satellite television channel - broadcasting 24 hours a day."
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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Postby mikenz66 » Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:43 am

Putting aside opinions for or against Thaksin as a politician, and various issues that have been raised about Dhammakaya, are such statements actually inconsistent with passages such as the following?
"But then there is the case where a woman or man is a giver of food, drink, cloth, sandals, scents, ointments, beds, dwellings, & lighting to brahmans & contemplatives. Through having adopted & carried out such actions, on the break-up of the body, after death, he/she reappears in a good destination... If instead he/she comes to the human state, then he/she is wealthy wherever reborn. This is the way leading to great wealth: to be a giver of food, drink, cloth, sandals, garlands, scents, ointments, beds, dwellings, & lighting to brahmans & contemplatives.
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html

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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Postby culaavuso » Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:57 am

mikenz66 wrote:Putting aside opinions for or against Thaksin as a politician, and various issues that have been raised about Dhammakaya, are such statements actually inconsistent with passages such as the following?
"But then there is the case where a woman or man is a giver of food, drink, cloth, sandals, scents, ointments, beds, dwellings, & lighting to brahmans & contemplatives. Through having adopted & carried out such actions, on the break-up of the body, after death, he/she reappears in a good destination... If instead he/she comes to the human state, then he/she is wealthy wherever reborn. This is the way leading to great wealth: to be a giver of food, drink, cloth, sandals, garlands, scents, ointments, beds, dwellings, & lighting to brahmans & contemplatives.
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html

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The chronology does not seem to be consistent. MN 135 is discussing a case where due to past actions, wealth is experienced in the present. However, to say that someone is a good lay buddhist in the present seems to be a statement about that person's present actions. Through all of the wandering on of samsara it is likely a being commits many acts, both skillful and unskillful. This leads through both experiences of wealth and poverty, both heaven and hell realms. If the phrase "ideal lay buddhist" is to be a meaningful label, it seems that it must refer to present actions rather than whatever past actions that happen to be bearing fruit in the present. Additionally, it seems reasonable to expect that an ideal lay buddhist would be an ariya-puggala, which is definitely different from a puthujjana that happens to be experiencing the fruit of bright kamma with bright result.

AN 8.26
AN 8.26: Jivaka Sutta wrote:"And to what extent, lord, is one a virtuous lay follower?"

"Jivaka, when one abstains from taking life, from stealing, from sexual misconduct, from lying, and from fermented & distilled drinks that lead to heedlessness, then to that extent is one a virtuous lay follower."
...
"And to what extent, lord, is one a lay follower who practices both for his own benefit & the benefit of others?"

"Jivaka, when a lay follower himself is consummate in conviction and encourages others in the consummation of conviction; when he himself is consummate in virtue and encourages others in the consummation of virtue; when he himself is consummate in generosity and encourages others in the consummation of generosity; when he himself desires to see the monks and encourages others to see the monks; when he himself wants to hear the true Dhamma and encourages others to hear the true Dhamma; when he himself habitually remembers the Dhamma he has heard and encourages others to remember the Dhamma they have heard; when he himself explores the meaning of the Dhamma he has heard and encourages others to explore the meaning of the Dhamma they have heard; when he himself, knowing both the Dhamma & its meaning, practices the Dhamma in line with the Dhamma and encourages others to practice the Dhamma in line with the Dhamma: then to that extent he is a lay follower who practices both for his own benefit and for the benefit of others."
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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Postby pilgrim » Wed Feb 19, 2014 8:45 am

Candala sutta

"Endowed with these five qualities, a lay follower is a jewel of a lay follower, a lotus of a lay follower, a fine flower of a lay follower. Which five? He/she has conviction; is virtuous; is not eager for protective charms & ceremonies; trusts kamma, not protective charms & ceremonies; does not search for recipients of his/her offerings outside [of the Sangha], and gives offerings here first. Endowed with these five qualities, a lay follower is a jewel of a lay follower, a lotus of a lay follower, a fine flower of a lay follower."
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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Postby Kumara » Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:39 am

I'd like to request everyone here to be civil and not ridicule. Destructive groups are formed by people influenced by destructive forces, i.e., the mental defilements. The response of wisdom and compassion is more appropriate and helpful.
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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Postby jameswang » Wed Feb 26, 2014 9:46 am

Nice little summary of Dhammakaya here: http://www.buddhaschool.org/?pageid=355
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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Postby Sokehi » Wed Feb 26, 2014 12:12 pm

From my point of view it is important to clearly point out what's wrong about esoteric cults - especially if they dress themselves up as buddhist. There is enough evidence available clearly indicating that Dhammakaya not just contradicts the Buddhas Teachings but manipulates people in a rather shameless and disgusting way. All this has to be adressed and information has to be spreaded so interested folks don't misunderstand this cult as a buddhist tradition.

I know this example might be a bit over the top, but just for the sake of making it clear: just spreading metta all over the NSDAP in germany back then would only have helped the fascist uprising. So metta, yes. Towards all the goodhearted followers that have been stumbled into the Trap Dhammakaya has build for them. And metta towards their deluded leaders that are trapped in their own unskillful livelihood that leads to wealth and power but certainly not towards Nibbana. But on the relative plain that we are living and for the benefit of the many interested in the buddhas teaching we shouldn't be too shy to adress what is so fundamentally wrong with their rendering of Nibbana, Dana and Kamma. The heart of the buddhas teaching. :anjali:
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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Postby gavesako » Wed Mar 05, 2014 8:16 am

There are some interesting comments on Dhammakaya teachings and marketing approach in the book and reviews below:

Buddhism and Postmodern Imaginings in Thailand: The Religiosity of Urban Space. By James Taylor.

Review by Charles Keyes
http://www.globalbuddhism.org/10/keyes09.htm

Review by Akincano Marc Weber
http://www.akincano.net/PDF/CB_Taylor_p ... inings.pdf

Google preview of the whole book:
http://books.google.com/books?id=HiVoq_ ... &q&f=false
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Re: Wat Dhammakaya

Postby Sokehi » Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:56 pm

Interesting quote out of the C. Keyes Review:

"Having succeeded in a new role as savior of the nation, Maha Bua came to see himself and be seen by others as second only to the king in conferring legitimacy on Thai governments. Maha Bua's critique of the populist prime minister, Thaksin Shinawatra, contributed to his downfall in 2006. Subsequent prime ministers or aspirants to political leadership have made pilgrimages to his monastery. By assuming a significant role in Thailand's contemporary political economy, Maha Bua has contributed to a decline in the role of the forest monk who devotes himself entirely to the pursuit of "direct route to liberation" (165).

This decline was evident to Taylor when he spent the Buddhist lent of 2007 at a forest monastery associated with Maha Bua. He found that "forest monasteries are becoming increasingly laicized and more 'this-worldly'" (p. 158). Instead of a pure (or purified) Buddhism exemplified by forest monasticism, Taylor concludes that Buddhism is today manifest in Thailand primarily only in those movements that "have taken on a new sense of purpose in response to the contemporary urban experience" (p. 203)."
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