Thank you for this information!pilgrim wrote:Its quite clear there that most ppl here in DW outright reject Dhammakaya. To be exact, we are referring to Wat Phra Dhammakaya and its legal body the Dhammakaya Foundation.
However, what is the opinion of ppl here regarding other organisations that share the same ancestry and meditation technique but are not part of Wat Phra Dhammakaya and Dhammakaya Foundation? One of them is the Wat Luang Phor Sodh Dhammakayaram. Their website http://www.dhammacenter.org/ is down today but there is some information here.
http://meditation-centers.blogspot.com/ ... yaram.html
Societies affiliated with this sub-group have recently also been started outside Thailand.
Wat Dhammakaya
Re: Wat Dhammakaya
Get the wanting out of waiting
What does womanhood matter at all, when the mind is concentrated well, when knowledge flows on steadily as one sees correctly into Dhamma. One to whom it might occur, ‘I am a woman’ or ‘I am a man’ or ‘I’m anything at all’ is fit for Mara to address. – SN 5.2
If they take what's yours, tell yourself that you're making it a gift.
Otherwise there will be no end to the animosity. - Ajahn Fuang Jotiko
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What does womanhood matter at all, when the mind is concentrated well, when knowledge flows on steadily as one sees correctly into Dhamma. One to whom it might occur, ‘I am a woman’ or ‘I am a man’ or ‘I’m anything at all’ is fit for Mara to address. – SN 5.2
If they take what's yours, tell yourself that you're making it a gift.
Otherwise there will be no end to the animosity. - Ajahn Fuang Jotiko
https://www.youtube.com/user/Repeataarrr
Sangha Theravada Indonesia Public Statement on Dhammakaya
Sangha Theravada Indonesia made a public statement on Dhammakaya end of last year, shown in this news piece: [Indonesian] http://berita.bhagavant.com/2013/12/30/ ... akaya.html
English translation: http://patriasumut.or.id/news/sangha-th ... dhammakaya
English translation: http://patriasumut.or.id/news/sangha-th ... dhammakaya
Re: Sangha Theravada Indonesia Public Statement on Dhammakay
Your link to the english translation is a bid damagedjameswang wrote:Sangha Theravada Indonesia made a public statement on Dhammakaya end of last year, shown in this news piece: [Indonesian] http://berita.bhagavant.com/2013/12/30/ ... akaya.html
English translation: http://patriasumut.or.id/news/sangha-th ... dhammakaya
http://patriasumut.or.id/news/sangha-th ... dhammakaya
Get the wanting out of waiting
What does womanhood matter at all, when the mind is concentrated well, when knowledge flows on steadily as one sees correctly into Dhamma. One to whom it might occur, ‘I am a woman’ or ‘I am a man’ or ‘I’m anything at all’ is fit for Mara to address. – SN 5.2
If they take what's yours, tell yourself that you're making it a gift.
Otherwise there will be no end to the animosity. - Ajahn Fuang Jotiko
https://www.youtube.com/user/Repeataarrr
What does womanhood matter at all, when the mind is concentrated well, when knowledge flows on steadily as one sees correctly into Dhamma. One to whom it might occur, ‘I am a woman’ or ‘I am a man’ or ‘I’m anything at all’ is fit for Mara to address. – SN 5.2
If they take what's yours, tell yourself that you're making it a gift.
Otherwise there will be no end to the animosity. - Ajahn Fuang Jotiko
https://www.youtube.com/user/Repeataarrr
Re: Wat Dhammakaya
As I've mentioned earlier, a split has occurred. According to inside info, the Dk group has divided according to personalities the members look up to: Luang Phor Sodh, Khoon Yai Chand, or Dhammajayo/Thammachayo.pilgrim wrote:Its quite clear there that most ppl here in DW outright reject Dhammakaya. To be exact, we are referring to Wat Phra Dhammakaya and its legal body the Dhammakaya Foundation.
However, what is the opinion of ppl here regarding other organisations that share the same ancestry and meditation technique but are not part of Wat Phra Dhammakaya and Dhammakaya Foundation? One of them is the Wat Luang Phor Sodh Dhammakayaram. Their website http://www.dhammacenter.org/ is down today but there is some information here.
http://meditation-centers.blogspot.com/ ... yaram.html
Societies affiliated with this sub-group have recently also been started outside Thailand.
Yes, there's now one of Wat Luang Phor Sodh Dhammakayaram in KL, Malaysia now. It's called Bodhi Citta. (As I don't want to increase their google ranking, I'm not including the link.) The practice is "classical Dhammakaya".
Strangely, they all tend to use traditional Mahayana terms. Years ago, I was told by Aj Sujato of their Mahayana influence. Their leaders seems mostly Chinese btw. I suppose there's a connection.
Re: Sangha Theravada Indonesia Public Statement on Dhammakay
I've seen this one. Like to clarify that STI only made a short statement, which doesn't say most of the things in the article. Here's my translation:jameswang wrote:Sangha Theravada Indonesia made a public statement on Dhammakaya end of last year, shown in this news piece: [Indonesian] http://berita.bhagavant.com/2013/12/30/ ... akaya.html
English translation: http://patriasumut.or.id/news/sangha-th ... dhammakaya
I think it's brilliant. It avoids saying that Dk is bad or wrong, which might lead to lawsuits. It doesn't say anything at all that might provoke Dk to drag STI into legal hell. It only says that STI does not cooperate with Dk. And that's enough to send a wave throughout the Indonesian Buddhist community to take heed against the new arrival. Brilliant.SANGHA THERAVADA INDONESIA
STATEMENT ON DHARMAKAYA TEACHINGS
Regarding the arrival of Dharmakaya teachings
in the midst of our society.
Sangha Theravada Indonesia states that it does not
in any way cooperate with Dharmakaya.
May the Triple Gem always protect.
Re: Wat Dhammakaya
Something I stumbled upon:
Extracted from a book review by Charles Keyes, Professor Emeritus of Anthropology and International Studies, University of Washington on Buddhism and Postmodern Imaginings in Thailand: The Religiosity of Urban Space. By James Taylor. Farnham, Surrey and Burlington, Vermont: Ashgate, 2008, vii + 244 pages, ISBN 978-0-7546-6247-1 (hardcover) £55.00. (http://www.globalbuddhism.org/10/keyes09.htm)The movement, centered on Wat Thammakaai in Pathumthani province, north of Bangkok, is led by Phra Thammachayo who "describes himself in his self-styled hagiography as the Buddha reincarnate and peace messenger sent to save the world from the calamities wrought by the evil forces of late modernity" (p. 42). Although Phra Thammachayo was attacked by the highly respected theologian, PhraPrayut Payutto, for what Payutto deemed were heretical deviations from Buddhist teachings—especially for Thammachayo's advocacy of attaining ultimate salvation through a shortcut centered on the practice of the technique of visualization of the "body" of the dhamma (the meaning of Thammakaai)—the powerful backers of Thammachayo ensured that the leadership of the establishment sangha did not pursue any heresy charge. Thammachayo was, however, found to have mismanaged the huge endowments of Thammakaai and had to (at least temporarily) step down as the abbot of the main temple-monastery.
Taylor sees Thammakaai as appealing to the Thai bourgeoisie through a "consumerist interpretation" of Buddhist doctrine. "The more money donated to the monastery the better the chances of accruing direct (spiritual) merit, which will in turn produce greater (material) benefits in the present and future lives" (59). The donations have made possible the creation of Wat Thammakaai, a "fantasy place", a "simulated mirrored reality, an imaginary world of tomorrow, situated here and now" (53).
Re: Sangha Theravada Indonesia Public Statement on Dhammakay
When this was posted by the Theravada Buddhist Council of Malaysia on their Facebook page, I left a comment for them to highlight to the Indonesian brethren on the crucial importance of correcting their spelling when highlighting on a targeted organisation or otherwise, are they referring to this or that?I've seen this one. Like to clarify that STI only made a short statement, which doesn't say most of the things in the article. Here's my translation:Sangha Theravada Indonesia made a public statement on Dhammakaya end of last year, shown in this news piece: [Indonesian] http://berita.bhagavant.com/2013/12/30/ ... akaya.html
English translation: http://patriasumut.or.id/news/sangha-th ... dhammakayaI think it's brilliant. It avoids saying that Dk is bad or wrong, which might lead to lawsuits. It doesn't say anything at all that might provoke Dk to drag STI into legal hell. It only says that STI does not cooperate with Dk. And that's enough to send a wave throughout the Indonesian Buddhist community to take heed against the new arrival. Brilliant.SANGHA THERAVADA INDONESIA
STATEMENT ON DHARMAKAYA TEACHINGS
Regarding the arrival of Dharmakaya teachings
in the midst of our society.
Sangha Theravada Indonesia states that it does not
in any way cooperate with Dharmakaya.
May the Triple Gem always protect.
Because I cannot imagine what His Eminence Dr Trungram Gyaltrul Rinpoche and his organisation has to do with all these...
And yes, in this year's State level Vesak Day celebration in Malaysia, I noticed that Dhammakaya made themselves quite visible with all of their banners which portrayed the Buddha's life with their signature Buddhist artwork and some other stuff at the lounge area...I am unsure if that row of Bhikkhus with bright orange robes facing the main stage are their people as well...
Re: Wat Dhammakaya
From the media reports and the comments in this thread, the criticism and controversy regarding Dhammakaya is directed at its unethical conduct, particularly regarding fund raising as well as the theological views of Dhammachaiyo and the organisation. Very little criticism has been directed at the Dhammakaya technique of meditation, which can be expected as that would be quite subjective. However, perhaps Dhammakaya Foundation overshadows the smaller sub-groups, people tend to tar them all with the same broad brush. I'm wondering if that is appropriate.Kumara wrote: As I've mentioned earlier, a split has occurred. According to inside info, the Dk group has divided according to personalities the members look up to: Luang Phor Sodh, Khoon Yai Chand, or Dhammajayo/Thammachayo.
Yes, there's now one of Wat Luang Phor Sodh Dhammakayaram in KL, Malaysia now. It's called Bodhi Citta. (As I don't want to increase their google ranking, I'm not including the link.) The practice is "classical Dhammakaya".
Strangely, they all tend to use traditional Mahayana terms. Years ago, I was told by Aj Sujato of their Mahayana influence. Their leaders seems mostly Chinese btw. I suppose there's a connection.
Re: Wat Dhammakaya
Yes, the son has overshadowed the father. But in this case the father started it. Not correct to regard them as the same though.pilgrim wrote:From the media reports and the comments in this thread, the criticism and controversy regarding Dhammakaya is directed at its unethical conduct, particularly regarding fund raising as well as the theological views of Dhammachaiyo and the organisation. Very little criticism has been directed at the Dhammakaya technique of meditation, which can be expected as that would be quite subjective. However, perhaps Dhammakaya Foundation overshadows the smaller sub-groups, people tend to tar them all with the same broad brush. I'm wondering if that is appropriate.
Going by the earlier texts, if a monk preached the "Dhammakaya technique" at the time of the Buddha, we can expect the Buddha to deal with it immediately. Then it wouldn't have proliferated.
No one in Thailand cared enough to do anything earlier. Now it's a fire difficult to control.
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“People often think Dhammakaya only cares about donations or cares about getting people to the temple, but that is just an impression based on outer appearances,” says Phra Sandr, a Buddhist monk from the Netherlands. “When people come here for a while they notice that there is a very important core where people are learning to practice character.” -- PBS Religion & Ethics Newsweekly
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The current military junta is cracking down on some of the most obvious mafia-type operations in Thailand, and LP Buddha Issara (controversial monk who was leading the recent protests in Bangkok) has urged them to also have a close look at the financial side of the "Dhammakaya business" which is immensely rich but, as he says, it "is not a Wat".
Bhikkhu Gavesako
Kiṃkusalagavesī anuttaraṃ santivarapadaṃ pariyesamāno... (MN 26)
Access to Insight - Theravada texts
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Kiṃkusalagavesī anuttaraṃ santivarapadaṃ pariyesamāno... (MN 26)
Access to Insight - Theravada texts
Ancient Buddhist Texts - Translations and history of Pali texts
Dhammatalks.org - Sutta translations
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It's interesting why people don't often think the same for most other Buddhist groups, isn't it?Jetavan wrote:“People often think Dhammakaya only cares about donations or cares about getting people to the temple, but that is just an impression based on outer appearances,” says Phra Sandr, a Buddhist monk from the Netherlands. “When people come here for a while they notice that there is a very important core where people are learning to practice character.” -- PBS Religion & Ethics Newsweekly
Not a Wat?
Not a Wat? Sounds like something's gonna happen.gavesako wrote:The current military junta is cracking down on some of the most obvious mafia-type operations in Thailand, and LP Buddha Issara (controversial monk who was leading the recent protests in Bangkok) has urged them to also have a close look at the financial side of the "Dhammakaya business" which is immensely rich but, as he says, it "is not a Wat".
Re: Wat Dhammakaya
Making money over merit
Suspicion has followed the secretive Dhammakaya temple on the outskirts of Bangkok throughout its history, but followers say it is a genuine organisation providing revelation
http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/investi ... over-merit
Suspicion has followed the secretive Dhammakaya temple on the outskirts of Bangkok throughout its history, but followers say it is a genuine organisation providing revelation
http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/investi ... over-merit
Bhikkhu Gavesako
Kiṃkusalagavesī anuttaraṃ santivarapadaṃ pariyesamāno... (MN 26)
Access to Insight - Theravada texts
Ancient Buddhist Texts - Translations and history of Pali texts
Dhammatalks.org - Sutta translations
Kiṃkusalagavesī anuttaraṃ santivarapadaṃ pariyesamāno... (MN 26)
Access to Insight - Theravada texts
Ancient Buddhist Texts - Translations and history of Pali texts
Dhammatalks.org - Sutta translations
Re: Wat Dhammakaya
I recall that the highly respected Bhikkhu Mettanando disrobed because of grave faults he found in the Dhammakaya sect:
http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.ph ... 30&start=0
With metta,
Chris
http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.ph ... 30&start=0
With metta,
Chris
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