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Privileged woman, poor man

Postby Annapurna » Sun Oct 25, 2009 8:44 am

We all know the sutra where Buddha explains how rare a human rebirth is, and even harder to be reborn as a man. (Can't find it now)

I've been thinking about this, (needless to say ;) )

It raises the question if it is really a "less fortunate" rebirth to be reborn as a privileged, beautiful, rich and intelligent woman, born into favorable surroundings, or an ugly, unintelligent man, born into, let's say, a ghetto. Or the third world.

Or how about the Butler who serves a rich woman?

Or the underprivileged man who goes to the army, goes to war and gets severe wounds which maim and cripple him for the rest of his life?

I can't help it, but I would rather be a woman then. It seems the 'better' incarnation then, where gender is secondary, doesn't it?

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Postby cooran » Sun Oct 25, 2009 9:38 am

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Postby Ben » Sun Oct 25, 2009 10:31 am

Anabel
Try and think of it like this...
The spectrum of sentient life and dukkha is so vast, so huge.
The difference between a man and a woman, is in the words of my teacher, 'mere vibration'.
You have the incomparable good kamma (or fortune) to be born a human at a time nd place where the Buddha's dispensation is still in existence.
Again, in the words of my teacher:
Make best use of this wonderful opportunity!
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Postby Dhammabodhi » Sun Oct 25, 2009 12:29 pm

Hi Anna,

As far as cessation of suffering is concerned, I think neither of the two rebirths in your scenarios is more or less fortunate than the other, what you do with your rebirth is what matters.

One can find plenty of suffering for people living in both scenarios, as well as enlightened beings with those backgrounds (Dipa ma was a woman with a middle class background).

Just my humble opinion.

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Postby pink_trike » Sun Oct 25, 2009 7:22 pm

"Female" has traditionally been associated with dependency, receptivity, vulnerability, and passivity...mistaken as weak and "needy" in male-dominated societies - this perceived neediness became associated with craving/desire...thus women became perceived as needy and desiring - craven and dissatisfied...not suitable for spiritual awakening. "Male" has traditionally been associated with assertiveness and independence - freedom...which was believed to be needed in order to be free from craving...so men were perceived as having an inside track to spiritual awakening. Imo, the belief that is found in many old patriarchal cultures that women are inferior to men spiritually has to do with a blurring of the socially-enforced "passivity/need/dependency" that naturally arises when women are subjugated and forced into dependency on men - with "female" . A classic case of mistaking circumstances and projections of the mind for reality.
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Postby Annapurna » Mon Oct 26, 2009 12:20 pm

:shock:

Goodness. I don't have a clue what you're saying and feel ignorant. :broke:

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Postby Annapurna » Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:14 am

Oh. :thinking:

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Postby notself » Fri Oct 30, 2009 3:34 am

Though one may conquer a thousand times a thousand men in battle, yet he is indeed the noblest victor who conquers himself. ---Dhp 103

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Re: Privileged woman, poor man

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Wed Mar 31, 2010 2:41 pm

The quote I am thinking of from the Dhammapada definitely says "manussa" = human being.



Kiccho manussapaṭilābho, kicchaṃ maccāna jīvitaṃ.
Kicchaṃ saddhammassavanaṃ, kiccho buddhānamuppādo. (Dhp v 182)

Rare is birth as a human being.
Hard is the life of mortals.
Hard is the hearing of the Sublime Truth.
Rare is the appearance of the Buddhas.

Kiccha means rare or difficult. A woman's life is more difficult, but no rarer than a man's life.
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Postby bodom » Wed Mar 31, 2010 3:23 pm

:goodpost: Thank you for posting that Bhante.

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