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"My" formless understanding, of, but not limited to anything

Postby Analyticism » Tue Feb 26, 2013 9:46 am

"I" have a, what would seem, is a formless understanding of, but not limited to, anything
As far as what "I" understand in buddhism, "I" couldn't tell you the non-english names of the 10 fetters, and "I've" never read the Pali
I'd say my understanding of it is basic, yet I seem to be able to answer any of the questions I see people have on this site, which is odd.

"My" understanding is formless, yet, is not limited to the concept of formlessness,

It is ineffable, which is why "I" am hesitant of describing "it" in any words at all... the probability of misinterpretation seems so high even as I skillfully try to find the right methods and words to get this across...

It is very related to intuition, and insight, but is not LIMITED to those concepts, you could see it as...
EITHER PERCEIVING, or NOT PERCEIVING
NEITHER PERCEIVING, nor NOT PERCEIVING
BOTH PERCEIVING, and NOT PERCEIVING
SOME, and/or NONE OF THOSE, and/or but not limited to ALL OF THOSE

Keep in mind, by understanding, I mean understanding, not just limited to Buddhism and such.

I'd like to know if this intrigues anyone here, and see what words you all use to relate to this?
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Re: "My" formless understanding, of, but not limited to anything

Postby tiltbillings » Tue Feb 26, 2013 10:00 am

Analyticism wrote:I'd like to know if this intrigues anyone here,
An interesting set of claims, of which we have seen variations here before. Is it intriguing?

What is the use of his knowledge
pertaining to the number of insects in the whole world?
Rather, inquire into his knowledge of
that which is to be practised by us
-- Dharmakirti

This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.

Níl sa saol seo ach ceo
There is naught in this life but mist
Is ní bheimid beo ach seal beag gearr.
And we will not be alive but a short hard time.
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Re: "My" formless understanding, of, but not limited to anything

Postby Aloka » Tue Feb 26, 2013 10:39 am

I'd like to know if this intrigues anyone here, and see what words you all use to relate to this?


Hello,

Well moving on to the important issues ..Does your formless understanding help you to make a decent cuppa tea?

:)
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Re: "My" formless understanding, of, but not limited to anything

Postby beeblebrox » Tue Feb 26, 2013 5:51 pm

Analyticism wrote:"My" understanding is formless, yet, is not limited to the concept of formlessness,

It is ineffable, which is why "I" am hesitant of describing "it" in any words at all... the probability of misinterpretation seems so high even as I skillfully try to find the right methods and words to get this across...


Hi Analyticism,

Maybe I misunderstand, but it seems like that might because there's still an attachment to the form... i.e., trying to get it perfect, and exactly to the form, in the way that you think it should be understood by someone.

Keep in mind, by understanding, I mean understanding, not just limited to Buddhism and such.


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Re: "My" formless understanding, of, but not limited to anything

Postby m0rl0ck » Tue Feb 26, 2013 7:03 pm

Analyticism wrote:Keep in mind, by understanding, I mean understanding, not just limited to Buddhism and such.



That all sounds wonderful. What happens when someone cuts you off in traffic?
We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to
the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his
children smart.
-- H.L. Mencken, "Minority Report"
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Re: "My" formless understanding, of, but not limited to anything

Postby polarbuddha101 » Tue Feb 26, 2013 7:50 pm

Edit:

I defer to SDC's elegant statement below which avoids the unnecessariness of the statement previously occupying this post of mine.
Last edited by polarbuddha101 on Tue Feb 26, 2013 8:24 pm, edited 1 time in total.
"I don't envision a single thing that, when developed & cultivated, leads to such great benefit as the mind. The mind, when developed & cultivated, leads to great benefit."

"I don't envision a single thing that, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about such suffering & stress as the mind. The mind, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about suffering & stress."
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Re: "My" formless understanding, of, but not limited to anything

Postby SDC » Tue Feb 26, 2013 8:09 pm

Analyticism wrote:"I" have a, what would seem, is a formless understanding of, but not limited to, anything
As far as what "I" understand in buddhism, "I" couldn't tell you the non-english names of the 10 fetters, and "I've" never read the Pali
I'd say my understanding of it is basic, yet I seem to be able to answer any of the questions I see people have on this site, which is odd.

"My" understanding is formless, yet, is not limited to the concept of formlessness,

It is ineffable, which is why "I" am hesitant of describing "it" in any words at all... the probability of misinterpretation seems so high even as I skillfully try to find the right methods and words to get this across...

It is very related to intuition, and insight, but is not LIMITED to those concepts, you could see it as...
EITHER PERCEIVING, or NOT PERCEIVING
NEITHER PERCEIVING, nor NOT PERCEIVING
BOTH PERCEIVING, and NOT PERCEIVING
SOME, and/or NONE OF THOSE, and/or but not limited to ALL OF THOSE

Keep in mind, by understanding, I mean understanding, not just limited to Buddhism and such.

I'd like to know if this intrigues anyone here, and see what words you all use to relate to this?


Wait, what?
Through many of samsara’s births I hasten seeking, finding not the builder of this house - pain is birth again, again.

O builder of this house you’re seen, you shall not build a house again, all your beams have given away, rafters of the ridge decayed, mind to the unconditioned gone, exhaustion of craving has it reached.

Dhp - 153, 154
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Re: "My" formless understanding, of, but not limited to anything

Postby Cittasanto » Tue Feb 26, 2013 8:48 pm

tiltbillings wrote:
Analyticism wrote:I'd like to know if this intrigues anyone here,
An interesting set of claims, of which we have seen variations here before. Is it intriguing?

certainly, I seam to remember something of a duplicate of this OP at one point. And no not at all!
This offering maybe right, or wrong, but it is one, the other, both, or neither!
With Metta
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Blog - Some Suttas Translated.
"Others will misconstrue reality due to their personal perspectives, doggedly holding onto and not easily discarding them; We shall not misconstrue reality due to our own personal perspectives, nor doggedly holding onto them, but will discard them easily. This effacement shall be done."
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Re: "My" formless understanding, of, but not limited to anything

Postby James the Giant » Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:46 am

I think Analyticism must be a Pacceka Buddha. :shrug:
Then,
saturated with joy,
you will put an end to suffering and stress.
SN 9.11
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Re: "My" formless understanding, of, but not limited to anything

Postby ground » Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:40 am

Analyticism wrote:I'd like to know if this intrigues anyone here, and see what words you all use to relate to this?

Not intriguing. Anyway keep at it or try something else and let go thinking about alleged characteristics of yours. :sage:
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Re: "My" formless understanding, of, but not limited to anything

Postby SarathW » Wed Feb 27, 2013 3:04 am

Hi Analytic
What do you call the white space in your venn diagram?

:)
By the way, have you read this book?
http://www.buddhanet.net/pdf_file/buddh ... gsurw6.pdf
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