Why isn't saddha a factor of awakening?

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Why isn't saddha a factor of awakening?

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I wonder why saddha (faith/confidence) is an indriya (controlling faculty) but isn't one of the factors of awakening? I guess I don't understand the relationship between the indriyas and the awakening factors. Is saddha an indriya because the indriyas lay the groundwork for the awakening factors,but in the end saddha is no longer needed for awakening?
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Re: Why isn't saddha a factor of awakening?

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Both Indriya (5 Faculties) and Bojjhanga (7 Factors) are sub-sets of the 37 Qualities (Bodhipakkhiyādhammā), which I don't think are executed in a "sequential" order. Besides, there're other qualities that are shared among the sub-sets: Viriya (Energy), Sati (Mindfulness) are in both Indriya and Bojjhanga. They're like interrelated components joined together thru a Venn diagram (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venn_diagram" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)..
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Re: Why isn't saddha a factor of awakening?

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phil wrote:I wonder why saddha (faith/confidence) is an indriya (controlling faculty) but isn't one of the factors of awakening? I guess I don't understand the relationship between the indriyas and the awakening factors. Is saddha an indriya because the indriyas lay the groundwork for the awakening factors,but in the end saddha is no longer needed for awakening?
I think you may be right. Of the 37 factors those with lesser number of factors seem to belong to more preliminary practice, approximately, according to one theory on the matter at least.

Saddha is required for enlightenment- I read one sutta where it said that the five indriya grow gradually depending on how higher you go on the path. :anjali:

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Re: Why isn't saddha a factor of awakening?

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Thanks for your feedback.

I realized by asking this question that I might be coming back to an interest in kusala factors. When I first came across Dhamma I was all about loving the list of factors, trying to get them, but then perhaps wisely mived towards an emphasis on kilesa and undwrstanding how deep they are. Now slowly back towards an interest in kusala factors...?
Kammalakkhano , bhikkhave, bālo, kammalakkhano pandito, apadānasobhanī paññāti
(The fool is characterized by his/her actions/the wise one is characterized by his/her actions/Wisdom shines forth in behaviour.)
(AN 3.2 Lakkhana Sutta)
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