Living arhats in 2011?

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Sacha G
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Living arhats in 2011?

Postby Sacha G » Thu Jan 13, 2011 12:33 pm

Hi everyone
I was wondering whether nowadays there are living arhats ?
- Are there people who claim to be arhtas? (i heard of ajahn maha buwa)
- Are people who claim to be liberated (new age gurus...) arhats?
- Are there people who don't claim anything but are arhats?
Maybe you've encountered an arhat yourself!
I'd like to read your thoughts or pieces of information about this subject!
;)
Sacha
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Re: Living arhats in 2011?

Postby Sumano » Thu Jan 13, 2011 12:45 pm

In the quote below Ajahn Brahm mentions that he has met arahants. So there you go — there are arahants in the world!


Ajahn Brahm wrote:How many people do you know who are happy - really happy, really content? Not just people who say they are happy but people who really are happy. The only people I have ever seen in my forty-eight years of life who are happy are the Enlightened Ones (Arahants) whom I have had the good fortune to meet. Other than that, nobody! When you understand this you understand the First Noble Truth, that the very nature of life is suffering, and you understand it in the very deepest of senses.

http://www.buddhanet.net/budsas/ebud/ebdha201.htm



In another talk, Ajahn Brahm said that if anyone claims that they are enlightened, you can be sure that they are not.

I suppose that an Arahant would never announce his arahantship (except, perhaps, to his teacher).
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Re: Living arhats in 2011?

Postby nobody12345 » Mon Jan 17, 2011 3:27 am

I have nothing to say except your second question.
You wondered whether new age gurus are Arahants.
And my answer is affirmative no.
They are neither Arahant nor they are on the path to the Arahantship.
Stay away from Charlatans because it's not beneficial for you.
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Re: Living arhats in 2011?

Postby cooran » Mon Jan 17, 2011 6:51 am

Hello all,

How to tell if you are an arahant:

SN 35.152 Atthinukhopariyaayo Sutta: Is There a Criterion?
translated from the Pali by Maurice O'Connell Walshe
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .wlsh.html

More on Arahants here:
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/index-su ... ml#arahant

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Re: Living arhats in 2011?

Postby Parth » Mon Jan 17, 2011 4:19 pm

If you are an arhat you would know, if somebody is on this forum and decides to read these works to find out if he is an arhat or not. He does does not need to read, well he is not ! :-)

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Re: Living arhats in 2011?

Postby Individual » Mon Jan 17, 2011 7:19 pm

Sacha G wrote:Hi everyone
I was wondering whether nowadays there are living arhats ?
- Are there people who claim to be arhtas? (i heard of ajahn maha buwa)
- Are people who claim to be liberated (new age gurus...) arhats?
- Are there people who don't claim anything but are arhats?
Maybe you've encountered an arhat yourself!
I'd like to read your thoughts or pieces of information about this subject!
;)
Sacha

Arahants have no need to self-declare anything because they are known by their actions rather than their words.

Although Arahants need not necessarily be "saints" or "gurus" of great renown, with special powers or clever words. They just need to have overcome the hindrances and fetters. An ordinary person might not necessarily recognize that achievement.
The best things in life aren't things.

The Diamond Sutra

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Re: Living arhats in 2011?

Postby Will » Mon Jan 17, 2011 9:11 pm

A man should not judge a man, for he harms himself very quickly, that man who judges a man.
Only I or someone like me can assess a man.
Buddha in the Surangamasamadhi Sutra

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Re: Living arhats in 2011?

Postby clw_uk » Mon Jan 17, 2011 9:18 pm

Sacha G wrote:Hi everyone
I was wondering whether nowadays there are living arhats ?
- Are there people who claim to be arhtas? (i heard of ajahn maha buwa)
- Are people who claim to be liberated (new age gurus...) arhats?
- Are there people who don't claim anything but are arhats?
Maybe you've encountered an arhat yourself!
I'd like to read your thoughts or pieces of information about this subject!
;)
Sacha



How do you expect us to know?

However it doesnt matter if there is or not
The dogmatists have claimed to have found the truth, others say that it cannot be apprehended; the Sceptics continue the search.
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Re: Living arhats in 2011?

Postby clw_uk » Mon Jan 17, 2011 9:33 pm

Will wrote:Here is a claimant: http://www.interactivebuddha.com/about.shtml



Interesting but doubt he is, look at what he claims are bogus teachings about Arahants

Here are a number of bogus myths and falsehoods about arahats, each of which violates one of more of the First Principles in addition to simply being untrue:
Arahats cannot lie.
Arahats cannot have erections or have sex.
Arahats would never do drugs or drink.

Arahats cannot kill anything ever.
Arahats cannot state they are arahats.
Arahats must ordain within 7 days of becomming an arahat in the Buddhist order of monks or they will die.
Arahats cannot think the thought "I am an arahat."
Arahats cannot feel the following emotions: lust, hatred, irritation, restlessness, worry, fear, pride, conceit, desire for the formless realms, desire for the formed realms, or any other "bad" emotion.
Arahats cannot like music or dance.
Arahats love forests.
Arahats cannot have jobs or normal relationships.
Arahats do not really exist today.
Arahats must work hard to maintain their understanding, and it is this that makes them unable to do so many things.
Arahats have not fully realized the Truth of Things, but instead only practioners of certain strains of Tibetan Buddhism can really see through to reality.



Interesting that he implies that Arahants would have sex, take drugs and drink despite the fact that this would be giving into feelings and letting them develop into craving


I also find this interesting "Arahats cannot kill anything ever."
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Re: Living arhats in 2011?

Postby villkorkarma » Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:57 pm

Arahats have not fully realized the Truth of Things, but instead only practioners of certain strains of Tibetan Buddhism can really see through to reality

Is that so, mention one!
one suffer because one hasnt existed long : )

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Re: Living arhats in 2011?

Postby villkorkarma » Wed Jan 19, 2011 2:33 pm

Arahant!
one suffer because one hasnt existed long : )

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Re: Living arhats in 2011?

Postby fabianfred » Fri Jan 21, 2011 4:04 am

villkorkarma wrote:
Arahats have not fully realized the Truth of Things, but instead only practioners of certain strains of Tibetan Buddhism can really see through to reality

Is that so, mention one!

That list of things is what he says is wrong about the popular myths about arahants....I happen to agree with that one because I follow Theravada...the Mahayana tend to despise the arahant as being lesser than their own states of enlightenment.

Both of my teachers I consider are arahants...although neither of them admit to it. L.P.Jaran and Supawan Green.

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Re: Living arhats in 2011?

Postby villkorkarma » Sun Jan 23, 2011 12:18 am

I know one to but he has died, i didnt knewed him before but i think i have some contact with him sometimes maybe imaginary but it helps me, my thought comes, its just harmony, when i think about him, webu sayadaw, teacher to goenkas teacher. some videos here with the arahant that never slept.
http://www.pariyatti.org/ResourcesProje ... fault.aspx
one suffer because one hasnt existed long : )

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Re: Living arhats in 2011?

Postby pelletboy » Fri May 13, 2011 1:40 pm

Didn't the scriptures say that arhats will disappear after the first 1000 years of the Sasana, non-returners the after 2000, once-returners after 3000, and stream-enterers after 4000?

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Re: Living arhats in 2011?

Postby Parth » Fri May 13, 2011 3:27 pm

I dont think that's correct and dont know of any references to scriptures on that except that probably the Dhamma would last for 5000 years. Here are some other references :

1. Anagam Saya Thet Gyi (1873 -1945) - http://www.vridhamma.org/Teachers-1
2. Webu Sayadaw (17 February 1896 – 26 June 1977) - Supposed to be an Arhant

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Re: Living arhats in 2011?

Postby vishuroshan » Fri Jan 10, 2014 4:51 am

VEN VAJIRA BUDDHI is a living arahat in SRI LANKA(mountain side). read the web page/listen to dhamma(sinhala). http://www.pathtonibbana.com
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