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In response to a limited number of requests, and also the absence of a basic discussion of world-cycles and cosmic systems according to the Buddhadhamma, I've been urged to create this post to incline a general discussion on these matters.



A single world-system is constituted by a grouping of beings who populate the planes between the first and lowest plane to the third plane of the first jhana; that is, the four miserable planes (Niraya, Tiraccana, Pettivisaya, Asurayoni), Manussa (Human plane), the six sensual-heaven planes, and then the Brahma Assembly plane, Brahma Ministers plane, and Mahabrahma (first three planes of the Form realm). This system is known as a world, with its own sun and moon, men and devas. There exists an innumerable number of such world-systems.

World-systems undergo a natural cycle of death and rebirth called a mahakappa (great aeon). This is the period of time between the complete dissolution of the world until it is again completely dissolved; this is the destruction by fire. World-systems appear and disappear due to an influx of higher beings and a corresponding expurgation of lower beings again into the higher cosmic systems (more detail later). The mahakappa is divided into four phases called asankheyyakappas (incalculable aeons) which can't be calculated by conventional means, and they are by no means equal periods. The first is the dissolution phase, in which the world-system is in a state of decline. The second is the dissolved phase, in which the world-system is in dissolved stasis. The third is the evolution phase, in which the world-system has begun to reform once again. Finally the evolved phase takes place, in which the formative processes of the world-system have brought about the evolved stasis of a living, organically functioning planet.


- During the first asankheyyakappa, the dissolution phase, the sustaining processes of the world begin to break down and the system continues to deteriorate for an incalculable period. During this break-down, the beings of the lower planes pass away and ascend into higher planes en mass. This ascension from lower-to-higher states takes place consecutively, and as a result the planes are emptied and destroyed from the "bottom" up. This kammic expurgation of beings eventually results in a complete dissolution of the world-system, in which the planet and solar structure has been immolated, following into the second asankheyyakappa.

- During the second asankheyyakappa, the dissolved phase, beings have mostly be born as Gods of Streaming Radiance (17th plane, Form realm), and so they remain for a very long time. (The lifespan of this plane is 8 mahakappas.) During the entirety of this phase, there persists to be no world-system. Near the end of the asankheyyakappa, a new solar-system begins to be reborn.

- During the third asankheyyakappa, the evolution phase, a being passes away from a higher plane into Mahabrahma. He arises in this world of fine-matter to find himself utterly alone, as the world-system begins to reform, and remains there for a very long time. Eventually he begins to feel isolated, and at that point several other beings pass away into this plane. Then the perception arises in him that he is their creator, and they too have this perception. Then there ensues a continual process of dissension as beings pass away and the depletion of their kammic merit gradually brings them to rebirths in lower states. Eventually, some of these beings pass away into the human plane, on "earth", composed of subtle matter, floating about, self-luminous. At this time the sun and the moon have not yet appeared in the gloom, and there has not developed sexuality or any discrimination between beings (beings being reckoned only as beings), and this continues for a very long time. At last, a savory nutriment--like the foam that forms on rice as its cooking, colored like fine ghee--appears on the surface of the great ocean. Some of the beings who have become of a greedy nature (as a result of kamma) partake in this nutriment, and eventually in consequence lose their self-luminance. Now the light of the sun penetrates through the gloom, and the moon and the stars and sky become visible. As beings continue to consume the nutriment, their composition becomes less subtle and they continue to degenerate into gross material beings. Moreover, they begin to develop physical distinctions and some of them even disposition toward other groups. At the beginning of this degeneration, the savory earth-nutriment disappears and is replaced by fungi-like organisms, of which the beings also partake. This is the beginning of a long process of devolution, in which the beings develop sex-organs and differentiate into other classes and continue to degenerate in an increasing number of various branches, according to increasing immorality (due to kamma). Whilst this occurs, the primary source of nutriment for human beings is replaced several times; from fungi, to bamboo-like "creepers", and then to hardy rice-like plants. Finally this process of devolution bottoms out to the most rudimentary forms of sentient creatures, which are the first to become beings of completely gross composition. The forms of non-sentient life, such as plants and the productive organisms, have also been duly evolved.

- During the fourth asankheyyakappa, the evolved phase, a stable world-system has formed, populated with subtle beings and also gross forms of life (mostly animals & humans). The five orders of law (Seasonal, Biological, Kammic, Phenomenological, Psychological) have come to establish a rapidly convulsing system of sensual planes, due to the kammic devolution of beings from the higher cosmic systems (planes 15-31).

Furthermore, these asankheyyakappas are divided into somewhat of 20 antarakappas (included aeons), in which the human lifespan is said to fluctuate completely from 10 years to 100,000 years according to moral integrity. Keep in mind that much of these "included aeons" elapse during times in which human beings are not completely gross, as we are now in the continued evolution phase (evolved phase).
Yet another periodical term is an asankheyya, which simply means an incalculable period of time in itself, as opposed to an incalculable aeon.


REMOVED EXTRANEOUS MAHAYANA REFERENCES, for convenience.


I hope that this is enough basic material to spurge the discussion formerly requested.
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Fix the paragraph breaks or it is hard to read.
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I hope that this is enough basic material to spurge the discussion formerly requested.
Spurge: Image

Can't quite figure out why we should spurge a discussion.
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Or why such a discussion should show the origins of dukkha and what to do about it.
I am more concerned with spin cycles and my digestive system.
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What is the fruit of discussing it?
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clw_uk wrote:What is the fruit of discussing it?
It is part of the tradition. There might be some value in looking at it in those terms.
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There might Tilt..... :coffee:
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PeterB wrote:There might Tilt..... :coffee:
, but it is not a necessity for awakening.
>> Do you see a man wise [enlightened/ariya] in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.<< -- Proverbs 26:12

This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.

“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723
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tiltbillings wrote:
PeterB wrote:There might Tilt..... :coffee:
, but it is not a necessity for awakening.
Hm, unless perhaps one gets to awakening through three knowledges - recollection of former abodes, seeing the arising and passing away of beings, and destruction of cankers. I think the second knowledge of seeing the arising and passing away of beings would have something to do with what son of dhamma is talking about. But, not having any sort of experiences in that direction, I don't really know.

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son of dhamma wrote:In response to a limited number of requests, and also the absence of a basic discussion of world-cycles and cosmic systems according to the Buddhadhamma, I've been urged to create this post to incline a general discussion on these matters.
Hi son of dhamma (dhammaputto?),

Interesting. Don't know much on the topic, so could you please give a few references where you draw your info from? In particular- on what basis do you conclude that the whole thing has a "branch-structure"? I.e. that thousand world-systems are contained within a chiliocosm, and then a thousand of these in a dichiliocosm, etc.

Also:
son of dhamma wrote:Therefore, the sentient beings of the Formless realm exist above all the infinite world-systems, on the highest cosmic level, where they persist for such long durations and see so many beings passing away with such frequency that they misconceive of their own immortality and eternal existence.
I'm not quite sure in what way beings in formless realms get to "see" other beings pass away, not having any of the 5 senses. I'm asking this not to find fault with your statement, but because I'm actually wondering how can they experience the other beings in other realms without the senses... Actually, that might happen through all that divine-eye and divine-ear business, though I'm not sure if formless beings can actually have these either, if they don't have the normal sense-bases in the first place?

Also:
- how does mount-Meru figure in all this?
- how does a buddhafield figure in all this?

Of course, references welcome. Thanks.

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Thanks for the post, appreciate it.

It may not bring some value over enlightenment for some people. But it's helpful to reflect that for so many Aeons of life we've been through, we haven't been enlightened.
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tiltbillings wrote:
I hope that this is enough basic material to spurge the discussion formerly requested.
Spurge: Image

Can't quite figure out why we should spurge a discussion.
Perhaps you should post a flower which symbolizes a profound truth beyond words, which can only be understood through mindfulness -- and doesn't belong to Theravada, Mahayana, or Tiltbillings.

Or not, because others would just miss it and keep on spurging.

I like that word... Spurging. :)
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pt1 wrote:
son of dhamma wrote:In response to a limited number of requests, and also the absence of a basic discussion of world-cycles and cosmic systems according to the Buddhadhamma, I've been urged to create this post to incline a general discussion on these matters.
Hi son of dhamma (dhammaputto?),

Interesting. Don't know much on the topic, so could you please give a few references where you draw your info from? In particular- on what basis do you conclude that the whole thing has a "branch-structure"? I.e. that thousand world-systems are contained within a chiliocosm, and then a thousand of these in a dichiliocosm, etc.

Also:
son of dhamma wrote:Therefore, the sentient beings of the Formless realm exist above all the infinite world-systems, on the highest cosmic level, where they persist for such long durations and see so many beings passing away with such frequency that they misconceive of their own immortality and eternal existence.
I'm not quite sure in what way beings in formless realms get to "see" other beings pass away, not having any of the 5 senses. I'm asking this not to find fault with your statement, but because I'm actually wondering how can they experience the other beings in other realms without the senses... Actually, that might happen through all that divine-eye and divine-ear business, though I'm not sure if formless beings can actually have these either, if they don't have the normal sense-bases in the first place?

Also:
- how does mount-Meru figure in all this?
- how does a buddhafield figure in all this?

Of course, references welcome. Thanks.

Best wishes

Actually, the Buddha did not describe the horizontal "dimensional-width" of the cosmos. The chiliocosms were explained in later doctrinal formation of the Mahayana, specifically the Diamond Sutra. So, chiliocosms and and greater world-systems should not be considered Theravada or traditional Buddhist cosmology. I was inclined to think that this would be evident to the Buddhists here, but I should not have been careless.
The Buddha explained the 31 planes, and the temporal cosmology as well, in various suttas and in books of the Abhidhamma Pitaka. But greater world-systems were never mentioned by him, and are simply inventions of the traditions which later formed. I consider these ideas to be notable and so I noted them. So in answer to your question, there is no branch system in Buddhist cosmology whatsoever--it is a Mahayana imposition. Buddha-fields are also Mahayana impositions, which surely don't seem to relate to the original Dhammic cosmology, at least not in the notable way that the included horizontal scheme of the Mahayana does. Apologies to having confused anyone regarding chiliocosms. Temporal and vertical cosmology is in fact accurate.

For the sake of convenience, I removed the extraneous Mahayana content.
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pt1 wrote: I'm not quite sure in what way beings in formless realms get to "see" other beings pass away, not having any of the 5 senses. I'm asking this not to find fault with your statement, but because I'm actually wondering how can they experience the other beings in other realms without the senses... Actually, that might happen through all that divine-eye and divine-ear business, though I'm not sure if formless beings can actually have these either, if they don't have the normal sense-bases in the first place?

Formless beings certainly do perceive other beings and the beings of planes below them, which includes all beings that exist who populate innumerable world-systems, endlessly arising. They have no corporeality, but they are composed of mind and have mental perception. The lifespans of these planes are as follows:
Base of Infinite Space, 20,000 mahakappas
Base of Infinite Consciousness, 40,000 mahakappas
Base of Nothingness, 60,000 mahakappas
Base of neither Perception nor Non-perception, 84,000 mahakappas

It is in the plane of Non-percipient Gods, of the fourth jhanic planes in the Form realm, that beings do not perceive, and only in this plane do beings exist in such a state (unconscious, as it is said).
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pt1 wrote:
tiltbillings wrote:
PeterB wrote:There might Tilt..... :coffee:
, but it is not a necessity for awakening.
Hm, unless perhaps one gets to awakening through three knowledges - recollection of former abodes, seeing the arising and passing away of beings, and destruction of cankers. I think the second knowledge of seeing the arising and passing away of beings would have something to do with what son of dhamma is talking about. But, not having any sort of experiences in that direction, I don't really know.

Best wishes
Actually, the three knowledges are quite bare boned. There is very little of what is worked in detail in the OP in the three knowledges, and that stuff really is not needed for awakening.
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This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.

“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723
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